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Post by Charlie O. on Jun 24, 2023 23:42:11 GMT
it wouldn't surprise me if Morrissey had 'Never Gonna Give You Up' in mind when he wrote 'hang the DJ'. I'd be a little surprised, given that the Astley song came out a year after the Smiths song.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 24, 2023 23:48:12 GMT
The thing is you can tell the crowd aren't enjoying it on an "ironic" level, for them it's the real thing because we live in a pop culture with no context at all now. Yes. And they're well into it even at a distance. Several people saying the vocals are better than Morrissey's, there's more joy there, etc. Some of these people are writers, ffs.
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Post by davey on Jun 24, 2023 23:57:44 GMT
it wouldn't surprise me if Morrissey had 'Never Gonna Give You Up' in mind when he wrote 'hang the DJ'. I'd be a little surprised, given that the Astley song came out a year after the Smiths song. Hot take: “Never Gonna Give You Up” is marginally better than “Hang the DJ.”
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 25, 2023 0:01:33 GMT
- but not as good as 'Panic'
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Post by fange on Jun 25, 2023 0:06:24 GMT
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Post by fange on Jun 25, 2023 0:08:51 GMT
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Post by davey on Jun 25, 2023 0:31:42 GMT
- but not as good as 'Panic' 🤣
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Post by DarknessFish on Jun 25, 2023 0:33:13 GMT
I'm watching it right now, after a couple of beers and a bottle of wine. What strikes me is that it's done quite straight, and they do a good job of the songs. The drummer even makes me appreciate how under-rated Mike Joyce was, he's giving everything here.
Should it be a Glastonbury event? I guess its not really much different than the Bootleg Beatles. There's something cynical about having Rick Astley there, but he is doing a good job. It's a bit weird that The Blossoms went down this route, they still had a chance of a proper pop career, and now they'll forever be associated with this gimmick. I know Johnny Marr was passed off with The Blossoms, too.
So yeah, I'm alright with it, largely. I never bought into The Smiths myself, so i don't have a deep emotional connection with the songs. But I don't understand the forces that brought both parties to this point, or why it made Glasto.
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Post by DarknessFish on Jun 25, 2023 0:48:51 GMT
Also, bonus points for singing the lyrics properly, with northern vowels, instead of suvvern. "my chance has come at last" instead of "my chance has come at laahst".
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jun 25, 2023 17:44:18 GMT
I know Coan wants us to froth at the mouth about this, but my lack of interest in doing so has less to do the inherent wrongness of it - I've always been big on needing commitment to the song from the singers that choose to sing it, and no 'it'll restore my credibility' is not an acceptable reason to me - than it does my feelings that the separation between the two artists is not as wide a gulf as others might find it. To me they're both under the category of '80s artists I don't care about.' If anything, I have warmer feelings toward Rick than Ol' Misery Guts because at least he's been willing to display a sense of humor about his own limitations.
This particular event is more-or-less a big yawn for me - Glasto in general has become that in recent years anyway - but as far as any feelings of sacredness of the Smiths' repertoire? None. Maybe if it were Gang of Four or something, but then the novelty might increase, which would push it in the opposite direction.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Jun 25, 2023 17:51:38 GMT
I know Coan wants us to froth at the mouth about this nope!
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jun 25, 2023 18:22:55 GMT
I can't say there's steam coming out of my ears either. But I dislike the kind of sentiment (definitely more prevalent today) that says that if the intention is honourable, then let's give them a slap on the back and turn a blind eye to the flaws. Not having that. Bit tired of hearing it. Let's have some standards. OK, maybe 'froth at the mouth' is a bit strong. But... (For what it's worth I'm not disagreeing with this either. I don't think irony or kitsch - which it would be pretty hard to deny is the result here, whether it's the intention or not- counts as honorable). I'm all for having standards. But for Rick or for Glasto? Meh. It's a spectacle. As long as it continues to be one, the kids are happy. (Also fwiw, I feel the same way about Macca and Grohl trying to outdo each other with the guest appearances. 'Twas ever thus. Yawn.)
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 25, 2023 18:38:10 GMT
Stock, Aitken, Waterman singer of disposable 80s pop song who, normally, would have fucked off for good ends up doing earnest covers of Smiths tunes to a crowd of young people at Glastonbury. Kids lost in the internet and worn down by post modern irony and plastic culture respond enthusiastically. Older music journo types nod appreciatively because RICK ASTLEY means it and weren’t the Smiths great and Morrissey is now a Nazi.
Stick a fork in us. We’re done. It’s OVER people
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Post by DarknessFish on Jun 25, 2023 18:44:18 GMT
He did a good job though.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 25, 2023 19:25:18 GMT
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