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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2023 12:11:49 GMT
1. Do you do your contracted hours, not a minute more or a minute less. After that, with respect, FUCK OFF! 2. Finish work but keep your laptop on and check it when you hear a ping for an email or a teams conversation. 3. Keep working regardless if it's over your contract hours because it means less work the next day or down the road. 4. I work until shit gets done, time is just a social construct to me. I'm so fucking tired! 5. I do the bare minimum to keep things ticking over, why lie? 6. I do my contracted hours, but if shit hits the fan i'm there.
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Post by harrylemon on Jul 28, 2023 12:29:52 GMT
7. Don't work.
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Post by Johnny Fartpants on Jul 28, 2023 14:35:17 GMT
They are not actually questions are they? But I'll bite ...
The job I have, I don't have contracted hours as such, just a contract of employment. So I don't work 9 - 5 and that's it each day. I am officially home office based and have been for years, so there is of course an element of trust involved that you're not sat watching telly all day. But then if I did do that, I'd be found out pretty quickly. Most days when I am working from home, I am generally logged in and in front of my laptop by around 9.00am latest, usually a bit before. And I am normally at my desk until at least 6.00pm, usually 6.30pm - 7.00pm, depending on what's going on. Have a break for lunch and coffee, but usually just end up sitting at my desk reading stuff on the internet, catching up on news or writing bollocks like this.
But a major part of my job involves travelling ... so then I can be sometimes up at 5.00 - 6.00am for a flight or train, or a long drive. Most times I get to my hotel around 5.00 - 6.00pm, although it can be much later than this, depending on where I am and travel to get there. Occasionally I will get there early. Swings and roundabouts really. I get to stay in nice hotels around the UK, Ireland and Europe and have a few beers on the evening ... perks of the job. Sometimes my flight is delayed and I'm sat at an airport for 3 or 4 hours, so I get a coffee and just sit and people watch. I actually don't mind this.
I know I'm lucky to have a job I like, that allows me to travel and is fairly well paid. But in return for that, I respect my employers and colleagues and don't just "do the contracted hours and fuck off" ... if I did that, like I said, I wouldn't be in the job for long. I have a decent boss who respects the work life balance and knows I do what I need to do and more. I've genuinely not had a day off sick since having my appendix removed in 1993 ... 30 years ago.
But like I say, I know I'm lucky and some people don't like their jobs ... but I would say if your attitude to your job is "do the contracted hours and then fuck off", you might want to find another job.
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Post by tory on Jul 28, 2023 15:01:29 GMT
I do understand the nuances of contracted hours and issues around them, but at the same time, under law an employee is not obligated to work more than those hours. Otherwise the contract issued by the Employer should reflect the fact that they may be expected to work more.
In my last "office" job, I worked at a company where some people turned up at 8am and worked through until 7pm. If you actually looked at what they did, it didn't amount to anything important other than promoting a culture of "presenteeism" - as in, look, I'm here, I'm working.
If the culture of the employer is positive, and that people are often happy to work longer hours when necessary for a "greater good" then, if necessary, the company should reward that. However, I have worked at a handful of companies where employees were taken for a ride through these expectations.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with working the hours you are expected to do and no more.
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Post by fearlessfreap on Jul 28, 2023 15:08:56 GMT
1. Do you do your contracted hours, not a minute more or a minute less. After that, with respect, FUCK OFF! I have a set schedule, but I'll stay until all my work is finished. 2. Finish work but keep your laptop on and check it when you hear a ping for an email or a teams conversation. I don't use a laptop, I keep my work computer on from the start of my shift til the end. 3. Keep working regardless if it's over your contract hours because it means less work the next day or down the road. Absolutely - I don't stay late because I feel I owe anybody anything, 4. I work until shit gets done, time is just a social construct to me. I'm so fucking tired! I'll finish my work, but I won't be ridiculous about it. 5. I do the bare minimum to keep things ticking over, why lie? No, I'll do the job to the best of my abilities. I may be many things, but lazy isn't one of them. 6. I do my contracted hours, but if shit hits the fan i'm there. I can't think of a circumstance where I would have to come into work after my shift is over. We are on salary, we don't get overtime.
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Post by Johnny Fartpants on Jul 28, 2023 15:13:23 GMT
There is absolutely nothing wrong with working the hours you are expected to do and no more. Yeah, I guess I could have worded that better. I guess what I probably meant was if you are doing something that is important and another colleague or customer is relying on you to complete that task so that they can do what they need to do, if it's getting to 5.00pm and you know it's only going to take 15 - 20 minutes to finish what you're doing, you'd be a bit of a twat to say "fuck this, it's 5.00pm, they can wait till tomorrow". There is a degree of flexibility which is quite reasonably expected in most jobs. I'm not talking about working till 9.00 - 10.00pm every night to finish stuff, that would be unreasonable. But knocking off at exactly 5.00pm because "that's my hours" when by working another half an hour max now and again means it helps your colleagues, is a pretty shitty thing to do. Unless of course your colleagues are cunts.
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Post by souphound on Jul 28, 2023 15:17:31 GMT
They are not actually questions are they? But I'll bite ... The job I have, I don't have contracted hours as such, just a contract of employment. So I don't work 9 - 5 and that's it each day. I am officially home office based and have been for years, so there is of course an element of trust involved that you're not sat watching telly all day. But then if I did do that, I'd be found out pretty quickly. Most days when I am working from home, I am generally logged in and in front of my laptop by around 9.00am latest, usually a bit before. And I am normally at my desk until at least 6.00pm, usually 6.30pm - 7.00pm, depending on what's going on. Have a break for lunch and coffee, but usually just end up sitting at my desk reading stuff on the internet, catching up on news or writing bollocks like this. But a major part of my job involves travelling ... so then I can be sometimes up at 5.00 - 6.00am for a flight or train, or a long drive. Most times I get to my hotel around 5.00 - 6.00pm, although it can be much later than this, depending on where I am and travel to get there. Occasionally I will get there early. Swings and roundabouts really. I get to stay in nice hotels around the UK, Ireland and Europe and have a few beers on the evening ... perks of the job. Sometimes my flight is delayed and I'm sat at an airport for 3 or 4 hours, so I get a coffee and just sit and people watch. I actually don't mind this. I know I'm lucky to have a job I like, that allows me to travel and is fairly well paid. But in return for that, I respect my employers and colleagues and don't just "do the contracted hours and fuck off" ... if I did that, like I said, I wouldn't be in the job for long. I have a decent boss who respects the work life balance and knows I do what I need to do and more. I've genuinely not had a day off sick since having my appendix removed in 1993 ... 30 years ago. But like I say, I know I'm lucky and some people don't like their jobs ... but I would say if your attitude to your job is "do the contracted hours and then fuck off", you might want to find another job. The parts of JF's offer I have kept match my situation almost exactly. I crossed out the travelling bits as I don't, at all, and wouldn't want to. If I had wanted to, there would have been some occasional opportunities in the past, but I tried to limit those to a bare minimum where I could. To each his own. These days, I work in hybrid mode as far as location is concerned. Technically, for us, that means going in to the office two days a week and working from home the rest of the time. Thanks pandemic. Prior to that it was office 5 days a week. Interestingly, on those days that I do go in to the office, I find that once I get home, I am much less inclined to log in again immediately. Health-wise, over the (32+) years I have had this job, I went through a couple of difficult stints. The support I received from my firm and colleagues on those occasions has been nothing but uplifting and made me feel like, as corny as it sounds, I am part of the family. It's a little like living in a neighbourhood where nobody locks their doors. My door is always open. I too am very lucky and I know and fully appreciate it.
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Post by harrylemon on Jul 28, 2023 15:38:00 GMT
My last office based job, the terms in the contract were to "work the required hours to fulfil your tasks"
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jul 28, 2023 15:49:06 GMT
I generally work 9 to 5 and no more, unless there's a very important deadline that absolutely MUST be met on a particular day, but that happens maybe once or twice a year so I barely consider it. The general manager of the company also does the payroll and he doesn't want to pay me any overtime (even though everyone else here gets overtime) because I earn "too much", so any overtime I work translates into lieu time off work, which, if I ever claimed any, would amount to peanuts in terms of time off so I don't bother. Aside from feeling like I get nickel-and-dimed by the manager, I do really enjoy working here - it's a good job and I get to see lots of cool and interesting shit and get paid decently to do so.
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Post by souphound on Jul 28, 2023 16:13:09 GMT
On overtime pay: Back when I started, computers being what they were, my job entailed ridiculous amount of OT, all of which was I was paid for. I had been told of this pre-hiring. After a couple of years, they promoted me to manager level, so, no more paid OT but better benefits of course. So, I've been getting those great benefits for 30 years now. And necessary OT disappeared long ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2023 17:47:30 GMT
Apart from "2. Finish work but keep your laptop on and check it when you hear a ping for an email or a teams conversation". I'm bit of all the rest, it depends on my mood and what exactly needs to be done. I think if we're being honest, we are all a bit of each of them. It depends on the situation and the people you work with.
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Post by DarknessFish on Jul 28, 2023 17:47:31 GMT
I generally work slightly fewer hours than contracted. I'm meant to do 7.5 hours a day, but really, that last 30 minutes can be really pointless, so I often don't do it. I don't do much coding any more, I generally think about shit, write designs, come up with solutions to problems. The idea that I stop one thing at 5pm, and start something else for 30 minutes, it's a nonsense for the kind of work I do.
I guess I have a fair bit of leeway having worked here that long. But I also put in the extra time when needed, and don't get any overtime. The added problem of thinking about shit is that it doesn't stop just because I log off. And as an insomniac, I do often lie there thinking work stuff over and over. Not generally in a stressed way, but they're getting a night shift out of me for nothing. Which annoys me.
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Post by tory on Jul 28, 2023 18:04:53 GMT
I really don't understand the questions, but anyway :
I'm contracted to teach around 42 classroom lessons a fortnight. The maximum you can teach is 50. As a ECT, I was on around 10% and then 5% less, but now as a fully-qualified teacher, I am allocated lessons and then, obviously, have to teach them.
Of course, teaching a lesson also requires a fair amount of planning and then, the real bastard, the marking and feedback.
I'd say that for most of the last academic year I was working most days from around 7am to around 9pm. I'd get to school at 7, and because of the environment of the place, it is best to get in early as you can often complete a lot of admin tasks such as planning and other bits of prep early. By 830 the school is ready to start and then there's registration, and then lessons until 3.30 pm. There are two breaks, but often I might have a duty to attend to. I might have three or four five lesson days a fortnight, and then a couple of fours and the odd three. When the Year 11s leave for their GCSES from May onwards, there's a little more time for future planning. I tend to leave at around 4 to 4.30 as I'm tired and I find working in school after teaching to be difficult. However, there are always parents to email and to call, and meetings to be had.
For much of the year, because English is such a demanding subject to mark (Two exams and countless essays), there's just an enormous amount of marking and unfortunately it comes in pinch points during assessment periods (of which there are three a year) which can sometimes mean sacrificing a weekend or two just to get through it.So, when I return home, I'll probably be marking for at least couple of an hours a night for around 60% of the year.
I'm hoping that my planning this year won't be so intensive - I've completed two years now and know the curriculum much better, which means that my resources are in a much better place, but there's always work to be done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2023 18:09:47 GMT
I really don't understand the questions, but anyway : Should be which one are you, rather than questions.
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Post by Sneelock on Jul 28, 2023 18:29:20 GMT
I live in a trash can like that green guy on Sesame Street but I'll choose #6. if the shit hits the fan - I'm THERE for you, man. provided, of course, that I don't need to leave my trash can.
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