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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 19:50:53 GMT
The success of Blair was entirely presentational, it had very little to do with policy. Really? From what I remember (which is hazy) business liked him, he was fairly centrist. And from here www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50829352"In his speech, ex-Labour leader Mr Blair - a longstanding critic of the party's move to the left under Mr Corbyn ..."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 19:52:55 GMT
The success of Blair was entirely presentational, it had very little to do with policy. Really? From what I remember (which is hazy) business liked him, he was fairly centrist. And from here www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50829352"In his speech, ex-Labour leader Mr Blair - a longstanding critic of the party's move to the left under Mr Corbyn ..."Not sure how that contradicts what I've said..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 19:56:51 GMT
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Post by tory on Dec 18, 2019 20:03:44 GMT
Blair was centre-left. The Labour government of 97 spent more money than Attlee. Blunkett's time in education from 97-01 is seen as one of the most successful in recent years (by some).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:06:57 GMT
Well yes, because he continued neo-Liberal economic policies, he was a disciple of Thatcher. That's why the likes of Murdoch were so comfortable with him. When I said the success of New Labour was more presentational than to do with their policies, I was thinking of their electoral success. Blair was a consummate politician with a real gift for communication and providing the public with an image of empathetic and capable professionalism. Surround that with the media expertise of Mandelson and Campbell and you go a long way into understanding the success of New Labour. However I still maintain it had relatively little to do with policies. If you asked people now to state what the achievements of New Labour were I think many would struggle to think of anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:13:23 GMT
Academies, religious schools, the removal of FE from local funding to an entirely market driven approach, introduction of PFI into education. All Tory educational policies enacted by New Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:14:17 GMT
Yes but they were still pro-Europe and pro-NHS.
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Post by tory on Dec 18, 2019 20:16:45 GMT
The smoking ban was great - a real example of how the state can actually intervene to make people's health and environment better. Good Friday Agreement - although this was built on the fact that MI5 had pretty much infiltrated the IRA and that the only way to bring McGuinness to the negotiating table was to offer him a pardon for the murders he is said to have committed.
Immigration - boosted the economy massively but the problems came home to roost later. I think without a doubt that the wholesale move to raise immigration numbers was solely the cause of Brexit.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 18, 2019 20:20:41 GMT
Minimum wage, good Friday agreement, human rights act etc
They did some good stuff. It doesn’t get mentioned much though but I guess things often get forgotten
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:32:21 GMT
Yes but they were still pro-Europe and pro-NHS. Pro Europe yes, but New Labour have quite a lot to answer for with the NHS. They were responsible for introducing a lot of market driven privatisation into the NHS, much more than anything Major or Thatcher dared to do. I don't know if you've watched the Pilger documentary yet ('The Dirty War on the NHS'..you can probably find it on the ITV player) but he goes into this in a lot of detail and New Labour don't come out of it looking good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:34:03 GMT
I do agree with the Good Friday Agreement. They do deserve credit for that.
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Post by tory on Dec 18, 2019 20:37:18 GMT
What I see as a massive issue for Labour NOW is that there is no-one with any coherent economic rigour in their party, at least not particularly visible at the moment.
When Blair took over, he had Brown, Cunningham, Mandelson, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Blunkett etc. These people had been in the party for years, had been Shadow Cabinet members for years and they were a formidable cabinet in those early years.
Now I see no-one of any real stature at all because the party has been crippled and riddled with fools.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:40:00 GMT
Yes but they were still pro-Europe and pro-NHS. Pro Europe yes, but New Labour have quite a lot to answer for with the NHS. They were responsible for introducing a lot of market driven privatisation into the NHS, much more than anything Major or Thatcher dared to do. I don't know if you've watched the Pilger documentary yet ('The Dirty War on the NHS'..you can probably find it on the ITV player) but he goes into this in a lot of detail and New Labour don't come out of it looking good. Gawd. I'm extreeemly pro-NHS given how wonderful they were with my husband's cancer and never-ending complications (specialists emailing me at midnight, GP surgeries going all-out). I'll watch it but I may need a glass of wine.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 18, 2019 20:43:44 GMT
God yeah!
Thank Christ we got Rees-Mogg, Gove, Patel, Gavin Williamson, Leadsom, Grant Shapps, Nicky Morgan and all the other super-bright individuals, eh?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 18, 2019 20:54:17 GMT
Blair on Newsnight btw
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