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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:56:38 GMT
What I see as a massive issue for Labour NOW is that there is no-one with any coherent economic rigour in their party, at least not particularly visible at the moment. When Blair took over, he had Brown, Cunningham, Mandelson, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Blunkett etc. These people had been in the party for years, had been Shadow Cabinet members for years and they were a formidable cabinet in those early years. Now I see no-one of any real stature at all because the party has been crippled and riddled with fools. Some of those people only seem like formidable politicians now, they weren't seen as having that credibility necessarilly when New Labour first went into power. Anyway I wouldn't call it a pressing issue NOW given that Labour are unlikely to form a government for a good five years.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 18, 2019 20:58:10 GMT
But something has changed over the years.
I mean Jo Swinson. She would have been a supply teacher in the 80s
What happened?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:58:50 GMT
Pro Europe yes, but New Labour have quite a lot to answer for with the NHS. They were responsible for introducing a lot of market driven privatisation into the NHS, much more than anything Major or Thatcher dared to do. I don't know if you've watched the Pilger documentary yet ('The Dirty War on the NHS'..you can probably find it on the ITV player) but he goes into this in a lot of detail and New Labour don't come out of it looking good. Gawd. I'm extreeemly pro-NHS given how wonderful they were with my husband's cancer and never-ending complications (specialists emailing me at midnight, GP surgeries going all-out). I'll watch it but I may need a glass of wine. Make it a bottle. It's likely to make you sad and angry. But you do definitely feel more informed by the end of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:00:44 GMT
But something has changed over the years. I mean Jo Swinson. She would have been a supply teacher in the 80s What happened? Blairism - the triumph of style over substance, youth over experience.
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Post by tory on Dec 18, 2019 21:02:13 GMT
Meanwhile..
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 18, 2019 21:05:34 GMT
But something has changed over the years. I mean Jo Swinson. She would have been a supply teacher in the 80s What happened? Blairism - the triumph of style over substance, youth over experience. We value youth culturally more I think
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Post by tory on Dec 18, 2019 21:06:45 GMT
We should value experience and wisdom more, but fucking hell, look at magic Granddad. The bloke was useless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:07:56 GMT
Yeah but if the only choices were Blair (even with what he did to the NHS) or Boris and his Anglo-Machiavelli-meets-Coco-the-Clown Mob, I and plenty of others would go for the Blairish option.
Those Corbyn (man and policies) supporters in the Labour Party will have known they were dropping the ball, they were being told often enough. Turns out the open goal wasn't as open as many of us thought but that's no excuse.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 18, 2019 21:10:27 GMT
Meanwhile.. Poor Owen In 40 years time he’ll spend his days and nights with a bottle of cheap Scotch bemoaning the moment he sold his soul to Corbynism after the 2017 election What a schmuck
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:14:04 GMT
Blairism - the triumph of style over substance, youth over experience. But he had substance. Maybe not have been what you or I would want ideally, and his image may grate (the part personal image plays in modern politics has to be taken into account - Thatcher knew it. And it's how political flotsam like film and TV stars got to be US President) but he made changes. And even just by being in power and stopping other fuckers from having it and bulldozing their will ... Fucking state of things ... defending Blair
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 18, 2019 21:14:23 GMT
Rebecca Long-Bailey is nobody sane's idea of a good leader. Of anything.
What the fuck is going on? Slag off Swinson all you like, but RLB makes her look like Thatcher.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 18, 2019 21:16:46 GMT
Corbyn’s choice no?
It’s all preplanned.
The succession
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Dec 18, 2019 21:19:35 GMT
She won't get it.
Nandy or Starmer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 21:21:35 GMT
I'm almost as fucked off with Corbyn as I am with Boris.
*Edit: I thought that headline was an announcement rather than a prediction. Still hope that Labour have learned something then.
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Post by tory on Dec 18, 2019 21:23:42 GMT
God, I tell you, there is nothing more boring than a Labour leadership crisis.
At least with the Tories you get a bit of drama, a bit of proper back-stabbing, take that you cunt and boom it's all done and dusted.
With Labour it'll take bloody ages.
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