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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 12:38:55 GMT
The above highlights the cuntish end of the patriotism spectrum. I'm well aware of it with the RA merchants we have over here, but until you give us a clue to some examples of acceptable patriotism, you're just coming across as thinking all patriotism is bad. Wanting your country to win at football isn't really a good place to start.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 12:58:15 GMT
The above highlights the cuntish end of the patriotism spectrum. I'm well aware of it with the RA merchants we have over here, but until you give us a clue to some examples of acceptable patriotism, you're just coming across as thinking all patriotism is bad. Wanting your country to win at football isn't really a good place to start. Mmm, I don't think or expect any sort of acceptable patriotism ( kinda threw me that expression). Wanting Scotland to win is something I want but it rarely happens and funny enough there is a bond that exists around the national side because we always fail, go figure. I got where Dougie was going and I know exactly what he means. Saying (as an example) grandad died fighting the Germans and we gave enough blood not to be dictated by them in a counting trade deal is going too far. It isn't an argument , it isn't a policy , it doesn't open up a discussion either. It is a point of view however that becomes a catch all for whipped up people who after suffering years of hardship and little change roar when they should be asking different questions.As someone sang , national pride is a personal pride.
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Post by rayge on May 6, 2021 13:07:46 GMT
Toby , where does pride in where you came from stop, what does it make you , how does it define you , what do you become? Flags , dirt and mythology. When all is failing remember St Crispin's day. It's bullshit. It’s bullshit to you but not to many other people. They feel it and sometimes very deeply. Patriotism gives people a sense of belonging and community and that is natural human desire/need and can be a very positive thing that unifies disparate individuals into a cohesive whole and in doing so satisfies basic human needs. From this emerges a sense of pride in a shared culture and history. A strong sense of connection to those who share it and a desire to conserve and enjoy it. I've never met an out patriot beyond supporting the national team at sport
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 13:11:02 GMT
So you're talking about the cuntish end of the spectrum? Fine, then i agree with you. However you can like the video Tory posted above and not be a cunt in terms of patriotism. I think you're talking about use of patriotism rather than actual patriotism, that's two different things. I might be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 13:13:51 GMT
So you're talking about the cuntish end of the spectrum? Fine, then i agree with you. However you can like the video Tory posted above and not be a cunt in terms of patriotism. I think you're talking about use of patriotism rather than actual patriotism, that's two different things. I might be wrong. Bingo! It was and now it isn't.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 6, 2021 19:38:53 GMT
Poor old TMM. Desperately wants to be in Trondheim, not Peterborough. Gojira - Fortitude. Picking up rave reviews in the metal community, the seventh album from the ecologically-minded French metallers sounds absolutely massive. Industrial-strength riffage abounds. On a day when the UK right-wing gutter press wants to wage war on France over fishing issues, it feels subversive to play this today.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 12:40:25 GMT
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Post by tory on May 29, 2021 12:57:01 GMT
Tactical voting works in selected areas but often brings negative results due to the fact that it will yield poor MPs.
As a strategy for fighting an election against a single party it simply won't work because there is very little appetite for coalitions across more than two parties.
The collapse of the Remain vote in 2018-19 was a great example of this - there was no clear outline of policy, ideas or direction.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 14:14:22 GMT
Tactical voting works in selected areas but often brings negative results due to the fact that it will yield poor MPs. As a strategy for fighting an election against a single party it simply won't work because there is very little appetite for coalitions across more than two parties. The collapse of the Remain vote in 2018-19 was a great example of this - there was no clear outline of policy, ideas or direction. What's being proposed is no more likely to produce "poor MPs" than the current system given that it's simply a more effective way of fighting elections within the current system rather than a method of selecting MPs. "Little appetite" from whom exactly? I don't think your Remain example is a particularly relevent one as it was a one off thing about a single issue.
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Post by DarknessFish on May 29, 2021 17:19:06 GMT
I wish tactical voting would make a difference here. So frustrating constantly being told "people died so you could vote", yet there being no point in voting.
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