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Post by cousinlou on Mar 17, 2021 21:55:33 GMT
Didn’t follow up on things but have you guys paid the so many, overdue Billions back to the EU yet?
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Post by tory on Mar 17, 2021 22:00:49 GMT
You can have some vaccine! That'll do!
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Post by cousinlou on Mar 17, 2021 22:03:32 GMT
You can have some vaccine! That'll do! Thanks but we’ll take the K.A.S.H. instead.
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Post by tory on Mar 18, 2021 15:40:47 GMT
Well, I'm afraid it looks like Ursula is making more and more blunders. Capital outflow reached half a trillion euros in January. When the EU says that it can seize private business assets and production (such as vaccines) under Article 122, it is not sending a good signal to the rest of the world. She's made so many errors early on. And no-one voted for her!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 21, 2021 20:11:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 11:42:08 GMT
EU reneges on deals made like youse have since the start of the brexit negations? So much so even most brits on here were making fun of boris for it?
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Post by tory on Mar 23, 2021 8:06:53 GMT
The EU doesn't handle crises well, I think this much is clear.
Yugoslavia, Eurozone debt crisis and this. That's not a "I told you so" style comment - it's more an observation that a multi-nation bloc composed of different countries with different languages, cultures and political goals will always struggle to produce a coherent response to a crisis, particularly one that unfolds and becomes more complex on a daily basis. As AEP pointed out in the article I posted last week, caution and timidity produces inertia that then becomes structural.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 9:11:21 GMT
The EU doesn't handle crises well, I think this much is clear. it's more an observation that a multi-nation bloc composed of different countries with different languages, cultures and political goals will always struggle to produce a coherent response to a crisis, particularly one that unfolds and becomes more complex on a daily basis. As AEP pointed out in the article I posted last week, caution and timidity produces inertia that then becomes structural. Sorry, is this about Europe or the U.K ? I ask because your statement is equally applicable to both don't you think?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 23, 2021 13:09:45 GMT
I think the Scottish Government have used Covid for political point scoring purposes which hasn't helped but I don't think it's strictly analogous to compare the UK to the EU here.
I don't think it's controversial to point out that the EU have made a complete fucking pigs ear of the vaccine roll out and that EU leaders like Macron and Merkle have made a difficult situation even worse with their nonsense. Say what you want about the UK governments response prior to this but they have got the vaccine roll out right and the EUs cock up will impact on us now too. They are playing a dangerous game and this will backfire.
I had a feeling prior to us leaving that the EU could be in real trouble and we'll see how this plays out but....yeah...I think they are increasingly up shit creek and that the entire edifice may be seriously cracking.
The Europhiles are far more quiet these days that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 14:43:15 GMT
Population of EU is 446 million, obviously different countries with some different internal laws despite being in the EU, different amount of vaccines needed per different population number of the country, etc.
UK has a population of 66.65 million, while being 3 countries basically don't have any of the above issues.
Relax yourself in patting yourselves on the back there. If the EU asked the UK to deal with 446 million instead of just 66, please tell me you'd still think Boris would be doing such a great job in the roll out.
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Post by tory on Mar 23, 2021 14:50:46 GMT
If the EU wants to be seen as a unified political bloc of 27 member states, then I'm afraid that one must treat it as such.
The US has a population of 350 million yet has a far superior roll out to the EU at the moment.
All the statistics show that doses given per 100 members of the population EU states are performing much lower than any major developed country.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 15:01:49 GMT
The EU is a unified block, but it's made up of different countries which has it issues. There's a big difference between 27 different countries then 50 states under one government. That's my point....and would you trust boris to have the same efficiency over 446 million instead of just 66 million people?
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Post by tory on Mar 23, 2021 15:05:47 GMT
You are making my point for me. The EU response will be poor and inefficient because of its structure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 15:08:46 GMT
The response has been poor, but there's legit reasons compared to the UK roll out which would be easier to do. The attitude of the british seems to be that "if we were running things in the EU, it would have been rolled out with no issues, just look!!!" For the 3rd time, would you trust boris to have the same efficiency over 446 million instead of just 66 million people?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 23, 2021 15:15:06 GMT
I don't think that's the attitude and think you are bring anti-British sentiment into it truthfully.
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