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Post by tory on May 17, 2020 17:26:52 GMT
I do like Stewart Lee a lot, even if I find his politics a little bit tiresome nowadays. He is a genuinely talented comedian. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/17/now-boris-johnson-is-talking-through-his-tugendhatLots of people have been up in arms about it today, because in some respects, if someone who wasn't "right on", had made comments about someone's surname and their origins, particularly if they were Jewish, the left would be all over it like a rash. In some respects I think a lot of the outrage is a bit faux (most people on the right would say "it's all a bit of fun") but at the same time it is poking fun at someone for having a funny-sounding surname - the very thing that those on the left, particularly Lee, would be in a queue to denounce.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 9:38:12 GMT
I do like Stewart Lee a lot, even if I find his politics a little bit tiresome nowadays. He is a genuinely talented comedian. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/17/now-boris-johnson-is-talking-through-his-tugendhatLots of people have been up in arms about it today, because in some respects, if someone who wasn't "right on", had made comments about someone's surname and their origins, particularly if they were Jewish, the left would be all over it like a rash. In some respects I think a lot of the outrage is a bit faux (most people on the right would say "it's all a bit of fun") but at the same time it is poking fun at someone for having a funny-sounding surname - the very thing that those on the left, particularly Lee, would be in a queue to denounce. Oh come on Toby, can't you find something else to concern you. I don't think being on the left should prevent you from having a sense of humour.
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Post by tory on May 18, 2020 9:57:02 GMT
If a right-wing comedian did this, the left would be up in ARMS about it.
I think this was a fair point made..
Daniel Finkelstein @dannythefink I’m slow to do this, but I wonder if Mr Lee & Guardian might reconsider this column, before I have to explain to my children that they will be judged for having a funny sounding surname that suggests foreign affiliation. We all make mistakes, I certainly do, but this is one.
robert shrimsley @robertshrimsley Stewart Lee is very often brilliant, but this is essentially mocking someone for having a foreign name, for having an immigrant background. Is that a funny thing again? theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 10:10:01 GMT
All the left? Have you asked them all? Personally I can't be arsed with humourless people, and there are plenty of those on the left and the right.
Twitter perpetuates a culture of faux outrage and has perfected 'turning a molehill into a mountain' into a fine art. It's too late to tell people to ignore it - the horse has well and truly bolted there - but we should stop attaching so much importance to it.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 18, 2020 11:21:54 GMT
It was on the Guardian and the MP is Jewish.
The brigade would certainly have an issue if an article was published centred around making a joke out of a BAME MPs foreign sounding name in the Daily Mail etc.
Sadly the cunts are the ones who "represent" the left these days in popular culture.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 13:55:53 GMT
It was on the Guardian and the MP is Jewish. The brigade would certainly have an issue if an article was published centred around making a joke out of a BAME MPs foreign sounding name in the Daily Mail etc. Sadly the cunts are the ones who "represent" the left these days in popular culture. No they don't, you just want them to be because it gives you something to rail against. I'm not even sure what your and Toby's point is to be honest. Is it that the joke shouldn't have been made because it's making fun of a Jewish surname ( although it's not obviously Jewish and I wouldn't have known if it hadn't been pointed out) or that the joke is fine,unless it comes from someone left wing and then it isn't?
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 18, 2020 14:05:44 GMT
Have you read the Guardian article, G?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 14:09:33 GMT
Have you read the Guardian article, G? I did quickly read the Stewart Lee one this morning,yeah.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 18, 2020 14:11:35 GMT
There's not really an element of racism or anti-semitism or anything similar there, is there? He's just having fun with the name.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 18, 2020 14:13:57 GMT
It was on the Guardian and the MP is Jewish. The brigade would certainly have an issue if an article was published centred around making a joke out of a BAME MPs foreign sounding name in the Daily Mail etc. Sadly the cunts are the ones who "represent" the left these days in popular culture. No they don't, you just want them to be because it gives you something to rail against. I'm not even sure what your and Toby's point is to be honest. Is it that the joke shouldn't have been made because it's making fun of a Jewish surname ( although it's not obviously Jewish and I wouldn't have known if it hadn't been pointed out) or that the joke is fine,unless it comes from someone left wing and then it isn't? Of course, because the culture wars isn't actually a thing, "" is just some right wing invention and Corbyn was the greatest PM we never had.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 14:57:20 GMT
No they don't, you just want them to be because it gives you something to rail against. I'm not even sure what your and Toby's point is to be honest. Is it that the joke shouldn't have been made because it's making fun of a Jewish surname ( although it's not obviously Jewish and I wouldn't have known if it hadn't been pointed out) or that the joke is fine,unless it comes from someone left wing and then it isn't? Of course, because the culture wars isn't actually a thing, "" is just some right wing invention and Corbyn was the greatest PM we never had. has always been around as I've told you before. Back in the 70s and 80s we called it being 'right on' and it was mocked then, often by people on the left. It didn't represent the entirity of left wing thought and identity then and it doesn't now. And why is Stewart Lee being put into the box of '' comedian anyway? Merely because he's left wing?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 15:00:14 GMT
There's not really an element of racism or anti-semitism or anything similar there, is there? He's just having fun with the name. Exactly.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 18, 2020 15:15:30 GMT
Of course, because the culture wars isn't actually a thing, "" is just some right wing invention and Corbyn was the greatest PM we never had. has always been around as I've told you before. Back in the 70s and 80s we called it being 'right on' and it was mocked then, often by people on the left. It didn't represent the entirity of left wing thought and identity then and it doesn't now. And why is Stewart Lee being put into the box of '' comedian anyway? Merely because he's left wing? No. It goes much deeper than just some young people being "right on" although that's certainly part of it. You should watch that Eric Kaufman clip I posted a while back to get some sense of the culture wars and the detrimental impact it has on the left's political chances. Part of the problem here is the definition of "" and what it encompasses when people like me talk about it and when you comment on it. In short, we aren't talking about the same thing. The point with Lee is that if you flipped it round and you had some right wing paper publishing an article based around mocking the name of an MP from an immigrant background it would be commented on. It would be evidence of "racism" etc from the "right on" brigade who hyperventilate on social media. Jews have had to change their names to "fit in", to anglicise of course so when you have somebody taking the piss out of a Jewish MPs name some Jews will comment on it unsurprisingly and find it crass and insensitive, at the least. I don't believe he is anti-semitic, I suspect he was ignorant as to his Jewish roots and he was blinded by his hatred of Da Tories but it doesn't look great and it does appear to be hypocritical to find such an article on the Guardian. That's Toby's point.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 15:26:13 GMT
But I don't agree with the point. It's a funny name with obvious comic potential. Remember the German footballer Stefan Kuntz? People would find humour in his name, for obvious reasons, not because they were anti-German, but because his name was funny in a way that Jürgen Klinsmann wasn't. I don't know whAt you're saying here. Should Lee have made the joke yes or no?
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Post by tory on May 18, 2020 16:02:08 GMT
Imagine if you went out to, say, Thailand to live and some guy pointed out that your surname meant "massive bellend" and laughed about it? Would you find it funny?
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