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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on May 19, 2020 9:46:52 GMT
I'll have a look later, but did you read it looking to learn something, or did you read it with your dagger poised? Genuine question.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 19, 2020 9:55:02 GMT
I said that earlier that maybe he just wasn't aware so I accept that possibility but the Guardian, however, should be given we are talking about an openly Jewish British MP from a Jewish family of some renown. Given the reference to Baron Tugendhat I suspect that Lee had come across his Jewish ancestry, as I explained earlier, but the Guardian editors have the ultimate responsibility. Given that the name I still would have expected Lee to pause though and maybe think it was not cool to take the piss.
I have read the article, well I've tried again but I kind got bogged down in the quagmire. He's funnier on stage.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 19, 2020 9:57:21 GMT
I'll have a look later, but did you read it looking to learn something, or did you read it with your dagger poised? Genuine question. I read it when it was published and was aware of it at the time. It's not something I have just googled to prove a point here.
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Post by tory on May 19, 2020 9:58:12 GMT
The worrying thing is, when this happens, it's good news for someone like Patel because it becomes an argument she can easily win. Instead of having to defend her appalling record, she just has to say 'well why SHOULDN'T a woman of Indian heritage do well in life?' - and listen to the applause! Yeah that's a point well made.
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Post by DarknessFish on May 19, 2020 10:06:12 GMT
"Openly Jewish" seems to be a strange phrase to use here. Is he actively Jewish, and should that be stopped?
I think he just thought it was a peculiarly old-fashioned aristocratic sounding name, and when he found out there was a baron in the background, he ran with it. Terrible article though, really crap stuff, he's no Marina Hyde or Frankie Boyle. I'm seeing accusations of hypocrisy, but I'm not sure there's evidence of either The Left being outraged about someone's name being made fun of, or The Right making fun of someone's name, who happens to be foreign.
As for Priti Patel, she's pure evil, but I still would. I'd like her to be even more evil, just for the sex-fantasy aspect.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 19, 2020 10:07:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 10:07:51 GMT
IGiven the reference to Baron Tugendhat I suspect that Lee had come across his Jewish ancestry, as I explained earlier Yes you have made a point of this a few times, but what the point is I don't know. Baron Tugendhat is the guy's uncle so we are not talking deep family history here. Furthermore, according to his wiki page, he is a Roman Catholic so I am at a loss to know how a passing reference to him is another indication of the underlying anti-Semitic intent of the piece.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 10:19:23 GMT
And what's all that got to do with Stewart Lee?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 19, 2020 10:22:44 GMT
IGiven the reference to Baron Tugendhat I suspect that Lee had come across his Jewish ancestry, as I explained earlier Yes you have made a point of this a few times, but what the point is I don't know. Baron Tugendhat is the guy's uncle so we are not talking deep family history here. Furthermore, according to his wiki page, he is a Roman Catholic so I am at a loss to know how a passing reference to him is another indication of the underlying anti-Semitic intent of the piece. I never claimed it was anti-semitic in intent so don't move the goalposts. It is a Jewish name, the MP in question is Jewish and has been the victim of antisemitic abuse that he has been public about. Given that, I don't think mocking an MPs foreign name is cool in the national press and I think it's hypocritical of the Guardian to publish that. And if Lee knew this he was hypocritical too. I don't think I can really add more here in regards to this article but happy to talk about Patel etc
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 10:28:37 GMT
Yes you have made a point of this a few times, but what the point is I don't know. Baron Tugendhat is the guy's uncle so we are not talking deep family history here. Furthermore, according to his wiki page, he is a Roman Catholic so I am at a loss to know how a passing reference to him is another indication of the underlying anti-Semitic intent of the piece. I never claimed it was anti-semitic in intent so don't move the goalposts. It is a Jewish name, the MP in question is Jewish and has been the victim of antisemitic abuse that he has been public about. Given that, I don't think mocking an MPs foreign name is cool in the national press and I think it's hypocritical of the Guardian to publish that. And if Lee knew this he was hypocritical too. I don't think I can really add more here in regards to this article but happy to talk about Patel etc So the supposedly incriminating reference to Baron Tugendhat was completely irrelevent then? Meanwhile I'm still waiting for the evidence that Stewart Lee has said in the past that making fun of a foreign sounding name is completely wrong and should never be done.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 10:34:14 GMT
Honest question to you Dougie. Had you even heard of Tom Tugendhat before this article? I hadn't.
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Post by tory on May 19, 2020 10:45:10 GMT
Honest question to you Dougie. Had you even heard of Tom Tugendhat before this article? I hadn't. Sevenoaks MP - next door to your old manor
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Post by cousinlou on May 19, 2020 10:57:25 GMT
As for Priti Patel, she's pure evil, but I still would. Really, this Priti Patel?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on May 19, 2020 11:07:01 GMT
No. It's a Jewish name is the point and that the MP himself has noted Jewish ancestry and identifies as Jewish. This is all out there.
"still waiting on evidence". Are you Copehead in disguise? I'm putting forward the idea that if some minority MP from the left had their foreign name mocked by an article in a right wing paper that would be interpreted as "racism" or "islamophobia" by your Guardian types and there would be criticism. Given Lee's stand up in regards to PC in the past I suspect he wouldn't be cool with it either therefore it comes across as a bit contradictory. Would Lee take the piss out of an Arab name? Give me evidence of him taking the piss out of somebody else's foreign name! Etc. One can infer.
We are going round in circles as we tend to do on these kinds of issues and I'm bored now.
Someone post a photo of Priti Patel please.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by DarknessFish on May 19, 2020 11:24:37 GMT
As for Priti Patel, she's pure evil, but I still would. Really, this Priti Patel? You don't see the body when she's behind a podium [/weird euphemism]. But yeah, why not.
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