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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Mar 31, 2021 9:48:41 GMT
Well they can't do much of that now because of the pandemic. That's what's killed QT - maybe permanently - the lack of a live audience means the show is much less entertaining.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 31, 2021 10:04:16 GMT
You get a range of people on there from David Baddiel, Trevor Phillips and George Galloway (talking about how capitalism has failed btw) to Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray and Nigel Farage. Evolutionary psychologists like Diana Fleischman and philosophers like Stephen Hicks. The two presenters are left wing and centrist btw. Come back to me when they have as their topic "Why identity politics is a healthy thing" and I'll accept they are as open minded as you claim. I looked at their last twenty shows and they were clearly running to a particular agenda.
However perhaps the BBC could put more in developing lively discussion programmes. I am sure they are noting the success of some of these shows on youtube and developing their own versions. The problem is it's a surprisingly hard format to get right, especially if you want to bring in decent sized audiences.
You're missing out on some fascinating stuff! The kind of stuff that challenges orthodoxies! Take the plunge! You can do it G!! Get to the choppa!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 10:11:41 GMT
You like it because it reaffirms your beliefs (having looked up the journalistic career of the main presenter, I'd say your description of his politics is disengenuous at best, but whatever )and that's fine. But it's not the kind of show the BBC could easily replicate.
I've always wanted to see someone revive Channel 4's 'After Dark'. I liked the way that worked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 10:15:41 GMT
Hard Talk can be quite interesting. That could be shifted to an earlier slot (it's on at 1.00 clo9ck in the morning or something ridiculous like that).
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Mar 31, 2021 10:16:51 GMT
Hard Talk can be quite interesting. That could be shifted to an earlier slot (it's on at 1.00 clo9ck in the morning or something ridiculous like that). Great show. I used to watch it religiously when I was abroad. Does Stephen Sackur still present it? He's excellent.
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Post by tory on Mar 31, 2021 10:19:27 GMT
And you not going on to look at it affirms your political beliefs!
A plurality of views in a Liberal Democracy is the most desirable outcome. If the State Broadcaster is not allowing that then there's an issue. And putting Nigel Farage on QT a few times isn't the answer. It needs its political presenters to be doing that and apart from Andrew Neil there's no-one of that view. You only have to see how Brexit was framed by the BBC to see the issue at large.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 10:26:17 GMT
Hard Talk can be quite interesting. That could be shifted to an earlier slot (it's on at 1.00 clo9ck in the morning or something ridiculous like that). I used to like hardtalk. Unfortunately today many intellectual points and views are simply destroyed in seconds by memes on Facebook. It isn't the Beebs fault that people's attention span and knowledge base requires simple basic fast fixes.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 31, 2021 11:08:01 GMT
You like it because it reaffirms your beliefs (having looked up the journalistic career of the main presenter, I'd say your description of his politics is disengenuous at best, but whatever )and that's fine. But it's not the kind of show the BBC could easily replicate. I've always wanted to see someone revive Channel 4's 'After Dark'. I liked the way that worked. One is on the left, one is centrist. You can appear in the Spectator or the Telegraph and be a centrist. I like it because it is has interesting people talking about adult shit in a way you don't get on the Beeb anymore, like Toby says, because the range of acceptable opinions these days is so ideologically, dogmatically narrow that people like me need to seek these things elsewhere. Why would I not want to hear some evolutionary psychologists take on gender differences for example?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 11:11:27 GMT
And you not going on to look at it affirms your political beliefs! Who said I wouldn't look at it? My only point was that it isn't a suitable model for the BBC to emulate for the reasons I've stated. A plurality of views in a Liberal Democracy is the most desirable outcome. If the State Broadcaster is not allowing that then there's an issue. And putting Nigel Farage on QT a few times isn't the answer. It needs its political presenters to be doing that and apart from Andrew Neil there's no-one of that view. You only have to see how Brexit was framed by the BBC to see the issue at large. Andrew Neil came from a high profile newspaper editorship so his views were already well established. And although you cite "apart from Andrew Neil there's no-one of that view" as evidence of some bias, I would ask who is his left wing equivalent on the BBC - I can't think of anyone! Most BBC journalists do a pretty good job of keeping their political affiliations hidden. I've seen Laura Kuennsberg attacked as being a right wing stooge for the government and being a typical BBC leftie...which suggests she's doing a pretty good job! I also didn't see any bias in its Brexit coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 11:13:05 GMT
You like it because it reaffirms your beliefs (having looked up the journalistic career of the main presenter, I'd say your description of his politics is disengenuous at best, but whatever )and that's fine. But it's not the kind of show the BBC could easily replicate. I've always wanted to see someone revive Channel 4's 'After Dark'. I liked the way that worked. One is on the left, one is centrist. You can appear in the Spectator or the Telegraph and be a centrist. He's written exclusively for conservative publications, but fine he's a "centrist".
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Mar 31, 2021 11:36:57 GMT
And you not going on to look at it affirms your political beliefs! Who said I wouldn't look at it? My only point was that it isn't a suitable model for the BBC to emulate for the reasons I've stated. A plurality of views in a Liberal Democracy is the most desirable outcome. If the State Broadcaster is not allowing that then there's an issue. And putting Nigel Farage on QT a few times isn't the answer. It needs its political presenters to be doing that and apart from Andrew Neil there's no-one of that view. You only have to see how Brexit was framed by the BBC to see the issue at large. Andrew Neil came from a high profile newspaper editorship so his views were already well established. And although you cite "apart from Andrew Neil there's no-one of that view" as evidence of some bias, I would ask who is his left wing equivalent on the BBC - I can't think of anyone! Most BBC journalists do a pretty good job of keeping their political affiliations hidden. I've seen Laura Kuennsberg attacked as being a right wing stooge for the government and being a typical BBC leftie...which suggests she's doing a pretty good job! I also didn't see any bias in its Brexit coverage. She's notoriously biased in favour of the Tories, G. I've never seen her described as a Leftie by anyone. She's unusual in that, mind - I can't think of any other reporter (as opposed to a presenter like Andrew Neil) who's put their political affiliations on show as much as she has (subtle yet consistent)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 11:45:25 GMT
I've not noticed it as quite that overt I must say, but I haven't studied her closely enough to disagree. It's always been fairly obvious to me that Marr is more inclined to the Conservatives than Labour, albeit of a fairly mild 'one nation Tory' kind. Yet despite these voices and Neil, you'll still get people like Toby complaining that they're politically biased against the right..which shows they really can't win.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Mar 31, 2021 11:53:14 GMT
I suppose if you're looking for it, you'll find it.
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Post by tory on Mar 31, 2021 12:02:30 GMT
Robin Aitken eloquently puts forward the case for bias in the BBC.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Mar 31, 2021 12:34:19 GMT
The Beeb is made up of London, liberal types who would have overwhelmingly voted Remain rather than Leave. How much of that was obvious in their coverage, I dunno, I gave up watching the whole Brexit shambles early doors. But they deffo lost people over their coverage. It's become another thing to hit them over the head with.
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