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Post by "BING E BONG" on Dec 10, 2020 16:49:58 GMT
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Post by Charlie O. on Dec 10, 2020 17:28:37 GMT
... but where I'm scratching my head is when he pushes this point about 'peace' - that if he says the word often enough, that if he pushes this idea in his music often enough, then the world might see some positive changes. It's a major feature of one part of the interview, you can tell he believes it firmly, and - like I said earlier - it seems strange coming from a man who I really don't think would have even entertained those sorts of ideas ten years before. But maybe you think that's a kind of progress. I'm not sure. Davey already more or less said it, but I'll say it again: it was about advertising, with "peace" as the product you're hawking. It's not a bad idea. Interestingly, Paul said something similar in Anthology regarding "All You Need Is Love", describing it as an advertisement for love in a world seemingly dominated by war (I'm paraphrasing slightly). Maybe the John of 1961 wouldn't have thought along those lines, but going back to 1965 you have "The Word" which is essentially the same idea. I don't think he really believed that singing and/or advertising alone would stop the war; it was more about influencing people to consider their options. I think most '60s activists in the US, at least, would tell you that their actions - their "advertisements," if you will - did ultimately spur changes in the national attitude about race, about the war in Vietnam, about women's rights, etc. and on the whole I'd have to agree that they did. |
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Post by "BING E BONG" on Dec 10, 2020 17:39:48 GMT
Three likes in ten minutes - fuck me they're lining up here!
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Post by Charlie O. on Dec 10, 2020 17:42:02 GMT
Three likes in ten minutes - fuck me they're lining up here!  "Won't you join us?" |
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Post by nolamike on Dec 10, 2020 18:27:57 GMT
How "How John Lennon Was Made Into a Myth" Was Made Into a Myth |
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Dec 10, 2020 21:50:33 GMT
Audio Box Set: 159 new mixes → announcing Jan 2021 plasticonoband.com/www.lennonology.com/Welcome.htmFifteen years in the making, the first volume of the LENNONOLOGY series has finally been realized! Strange Days Indeed—A Scrapbook Of Madness is a day-by-day account of John Lennon and Yoko Ono's artistic and personal partnership from 1968-1980 that will transport the reader back in time to accompany John and Yoko as their future unfolds. |
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Post by oleandermedian on Dec 11, 2020 10:53:16 GMT
"My" Lennon song is Watching the Wheels. When I used to frequent laundrettes as a callow youth and sat in front of the tumble drier watching my clothes dry, this song always popped into my head, presumably on account of the motion of the machine. It never failed, and we became friends, so to speak.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Dec 11, 2020 11:16:15 GMT
I have little to no time for the slogan songs. I find them tiresome and a bit silly but I guess if anyone was gonna have a song called POWER TO THE PEOPLE it would be John.
I'd take this over Power To The People or Woman....
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Post by Charlie O. on Sept 18, 2023 23:16:15 GMT
A short item from the December 1980 issue of Trouser Press Magazine:  |
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 19, 2023 7:42:47 GMT
... but where I'm scratching my head is when he pushes this point about 'peace' - that if he says the word often enough, that if he pushes this idea in his music often enough, then the world might see some positive changes. It's a major feature of one part of the interview, you can tell he believes it firmly, and - like I said earlier - it seems strange coming from a man who I really don't think would have even entertained those sorts of ideas ten years before. But maybe you think that's a kind of progress. I'm not sure. Davey already more or less said it, but I'll say it again: it was about advertising, with "peace" as the product you're hawking. It's not a bad idea. Interestingly, Paul said something similar in Anthology regarding "All You Need Is Love", describing it as an advertisement for love in a world seemingly dominated by war (I'm paraphrasing slightly). Maybe the John of 1961 wouldn't have thought along those lines, but going back to 1965 you have "The Word" which is essentially the same idea. I don't think he really believed that singing and/or advertising alone would stop the war; it was more about influencing people to consider their options. I think most '60s activists in the US, at least, would tell you that their actions - their "advertisements," if you will - did ultimately spur changes in the national attitude about race, about the war in Vietnam, about women's rights, etc. and on the whole I'd have to agree that they did. That's a good defence, but I think it's maybe a little charitable. Ultimately I think Lennon's peace campaign resonated with those who were of that persuasion, but probably made little wider impact. The world certainly hasn't got any less war-like since the 60s. |
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Sept 19, 2023 8:09:14 GMT
It was deeply silly and embarrassing. Not as embarrassing as getting his knob out but close enough.
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Post by adamcoan on Sept 19, 2023 9:23:42 GMT
Davey already more or less said it, but I'll say it again: it was about advertising, with "peace" as the product you're hawking. It's not a bad idea. Interestingly, Paul said something similar in Anthology regarding "All You Need Is Love", describing it as an advertisement for love in a world seemingly dominated by war (I'm paraphrasing slightly). Maybe the John of 1961 wouldn't have thought along those lines, but going back to 1965 you have "The Word" which is essentially the same idea. I don't think he really believed that singing and/or advertising alone would stop the war; it was more about influencing people to consider their options. I think most '60s activists in the US, at least, would tell you that their actions - their "advertisements," if you will - did ultimately spur changes in the national attitude about race, about the war in Vietnam, about women's rights, etc. and on the whole I'd have to agree that they did. That's a good defence, but I think it's maybe a little charitable. Ultimately I think Lennon's peace campaign resonated with those who were of that persuasion, but probably made little wider impact. The world certainly hasn't got any less war-like since the 60s. He was the top selling artist in HMV Saigon apparently. He usurped Edwin Starr by all accounts. Edwin is still mad about that. |
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Sept 19, 2023 12:23:18 GMT
Gone 40 years. As long as he was here. What’s YOUR Lennon song? Not his “best” or “most impactful” or even your “favorite”. Just which song feels like your secret connection to the guy, if any. Mine... I don't know how much I really like this as a song, I don't know it that well, but I do like its sound, which is moving towards mid 70s jazz-funk. There's a few tracks with that overt r n'b/soul/jazz sound on 'Walls and Bridges', and before 'Young Americans' of course. Maybe the album should be getting more credit as an adventurous move into a soul sound. |
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Post by davey on Sept 19, 2023 14:43:07 GMT
Gone 40 years. As long as he was here. What’s YOUR Lennon song? Not his “best” or “most impactful” or even your “favorite”. Just which song feels like your secret connection to the guy, if any. Mine... I don't know how much I really like this as a song, I don't know it that well, but I do like its sound, which is moving towards mid 70s jazz-funk. There's a few tracks with that overt r n'b/soul/jazz sound on 'Walls and Bridges', and before 'Young Americans' of course. Maybe the album should be getting more credit as an adventurous move into a soul sound. There’s one or two tracks that evoke some hard funk textures on W&B, but it doesn’t really consistently lean into the soul thing. Not the way “Young Americans” announces itself as “Bowie’s soul record.” Footnote on this song - Lennon felt that The Stones copped part of its melody for Miss You. |
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Post by loveless on Sept 19, 2023 14:59:50 GMT
I think whenever you read interviews with English rock stars from/during that era, they almost ALL seem to be besotted with American soul sounds and records (things like Ann Peebles, "Soul Makossa", and the Stylistics, Spinners, O Jays, etc.). It makes sense that the records (en masse) are getting more smooth and lush - specifically in a sort of Soul Train style.
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