Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 10:37:24 GMT
People also overestimate the dominance of rock music as a cultural force in the historical past. Growing up in the London suburbs, I'd say more people were likely to be listening to soul and reggae. How many albums did Led Zep sell? Or Van Halen? Or the Stones? Or U2? What about all those stadium gigs? Nevermind, probably the last classic rock album sold over 30 million and people are now celebrating its anniversary 30 years later. I don't think you can underestimate its popularity and the impact some of this stuff had. Sure, but growing up in London Marvin Gaye was always bigger than Led Zeppelin. He's what you'd hear in people's cars,homes or at parties. That tended to be unacknowledged by the "rockcentric" British music media.
|
|
~ / % ? *
god
disambiguating goat herder
Posts: 5,532
|
Post by ~ / % ? * on Oct 7, 2021 13:05:41 GMT
blind men in desert try to speak of sand
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 13:07:03 GMT
What an insightful contribution. THANKS GAV!
|
|
~ / % ? *
god
disambiguating goat herder
Posts: 5,532
|
Post by ~ / % ? * on Oct 7, 2021 13:28:20 GMT
I don't know about that. I mean, Radio 1 plays more rock music right now than it ever did in the last 20 years, and not in specific slots, just in the main playlists. Not a lot, by any means, but I hear a handful of tracks a week while driving. And radio 6 plays a fair bit of rock and guitar-based pop. For sure. I was just wondering if and when it's going to be over for rock. a. predominately female solo acts in the charts b. increasing sensitivity in culture ('', if you like) c. more and more scandals emerging about old rockers d. general shifts in taste Godsmack, CHili Peppers, Theory of A Deadman, Offspring, Ozzy, MG Kelly, Rise Against, etc., all latest albums certified US Gold in Sept each with multiple certified US platinum singles from said albums Meanwhile outliers like Lizzo, Childers, Simpson, Tantrums, Leon Bridges, etc., all certified platinum singles, Gold albums If anything, we have seen rock fully transition from an album hard copy focus to a downloaded single focus, really no different than what is currently the case in country, hiphop/r&b, pop, etc., sales.
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 7, 2021 14:43:00 GMT
How many albums did Led Zep sell? Or Van Halen? Or the Stones? Or U2? What about all those stadium gigs? Nevermind, probably the last classic rock album sold over 30 million and people are now celebrating its anniversary 30 years later. I don't think you can underestimate its popularity and the impact some of this stuff had. Sure, but growing up in London Marvin Gaye was always bigger than Led Zeppelin. He's what you'd hear in people's cars,homes or at parties. That tended to be unacknowledged by the "rockcentric" British music media. Well, Zep didn't release singles so they wouldn't be on British radio very much and When the Levee Breaks is maybe not ideal for yer average house party but Marvin was bigger in London? Really? Hmmmm....
|
|
|
Post by oh oooh on Oct 7, 2021 14:48:31 GMT
G rewriting the narrative 🙂
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 7, 2021 14:54:43 GMT
Down in the faacking Laaahndon we were all listening to Marvin Gaye and Donny Hathaway and fucking Lee Morgan!
|
|
|
Post by sloopjohnc on Oct 7, 2021 14:54:43 GMT
I don't know about that. I mean, Radio 1 plays more rock music right now than it ever did in the last 20 years, and not in specific slots, just in the main playlists. Not a lot, by any means, but I hear a handful of tracks a week while driving. And radio 6 plays a fair bit of rock and guitar-based pop. And commercial radio, at least here, is a totally capitalist enterprise, except for one exception, National Public Radio. Classic rock and soft rock stations still get pretty high ratings even with satellite radio around. They dominate the landscape because people listen, and thus, advertisers will pay. At least on the west coast, and this is true in Oregon too, is how many Hispanic music radio stations there are. I think that says a lot about the demographic's listening habits for commercial radio. Some of them don't have the strongest signals, but there are a ton on both AM and FM.
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 7, 2021 15:05:23 GMT
"me and my mates Bazza and Tricky Micky would go daaawn to Caaamden and spend all night dancing to faacking James Brown and Motown on pills yeah? Pull some lucky lass from the suburbs and take her for breakfast knowworraImean? All that led Zeppelin and Free muck was for faacking Northern monkeys and bleedin' layabouts! We were faaacking geezers weren't we?..."
|
|
|
Post by sloopjohnc on Oct 7, 2021 15:06:40 GMT
"me and my mates Bazza and Tricky Micky would go daaawn to Caaamden and spend all night dancing to faacking James Brown and Motown on pills yeah? Pull some lucky lass from the suburbs and take her for breakfast knowworraImean? All that led Zeppelin and Free muck was for faacking Northern monkeys and bleedin' layabouts! We were faaacking geezers weren't we?..."
I think it's a stretch to stereotype them as all picking up women.
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Oct 7, 2021 15:24:04 GMT
I don't know about that. I mean, Radio 1 plays more rock music right now than it ever did in the last 20 years, and not in specific slots, just in the main playlists. Not a lot, by any means, but I hear a handful of tracks a week while driving. And radio 6 plays a fair bit of rock and guitar-based pop. For sure. I was just wondering if and when it's going to be over for rock. a. predominately female solo acts in the charts b. increasing sensitivity in culture ('', if you like) c. more and more scandals emerging about old rockers d. general shifts in taste There's something to this. I would add lack of working class men pursing a career in music these days as a contributing factor too. Black Sabbath and metal came from the industrial north...a million and one garage bands thrashing away...the Stooges in Detroit etc.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 15:28:22 GMT
G rewriting the narrative 🙂 I'm honestly not. As Ray likes to say 'you weren't there' I'm not trying to deny Zep were a hugely successful band, that would be silly, rather there were huge amounts of people who weren't massively into what you might call "rock". There were other musical cultures out there equally as compelling.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 15:41:36 GMT
Well, Zep didn't release singles so they wouldn't be on British radio very much and When the Levee Breaks is maybe not ideal for yer average house party but Marvin was bigger in London? Really? Hmmmm.... Interesting you find that so hard to believe? Growing up I knew maybe one bloke with an LZ album, whereas everyone had some Marvin.
|
|
rayge
Administrator
Invisible
Posts: 8,805
|
Post by rayge on Oct 7, 2021 15:49:11 GMT
G rewriting the narrative 🙂 I'm honestly not. As Ray likes to say 'you weren't there' I'm not trying to deny Zep were a hugely successful band, that would be silly, rather there were huge amounts of people who weren't massively into what you might call "rock". There were other musical cultures out there equally as compelling. My experience, too.
|
|
rayge
Administrator
Invisible
Posts: 8,805
|
Post by rayge on Oct 7, 2021 15:53:23 GMT
I would add lack of working class men pursing a career in music these days as a contributing factor too. Black Sabbath and metal came from the industrial north...a million and one garage bands thrashing away...the Stooges in Detroit etc. West Midlands. Metal was birthed in Brum and was never a dominant force in that London.
|
|