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Aug 23, 2023 14:32:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 14:32:46 GMT
The "cheeto-faced wankpuffin" brigade destroyed that sort of comedy. Armando Iannucci and co took it as far as they could go but the wordplay and, in particular, the Malcolm Tucker character is basically responsible for all that stuff. Did you watch Veep? You can tell when Iannucci left. The wordplay just turned to shit. He placed the insults and curing perfectly, when the yanks took over the put 2 and 2 together and got 5. Cursing and insults = funny = ratings. Lets flood the show with it then. It just wasn't as funny.
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Aug 23, 2023 14:35:41 GMT
Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 23, 2023 14:35:41 GMT
Nah I never bothered but I do like Julia Louis-Dreyfus.
Of course Ianucci is a predictable left/liberal regime type.
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Aug 23, 2023 14:39:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 14:39:30 GMT
...but he's a sound left/liberal regime type without going for easy laughs.
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Aug 23, 2023 16:01:26 GMT
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Post by DarknessFish on Aug 23, 2023 16:01:26 GMT
Might be a random observation, but growing up I had no idea that Jim Davidson was a racist. I guess I was pretty young when he was on TV doing his Chalky White stuff, but I literally had no idea he was meant to be impersonating a black guy. I just thought he was doing a stupid voice. I mean, Wigan was the least multicultural place on earth, and I hadn't encountered many bame people, but if not enough people called him out on his racism, surely more should've called him out on the shitness of his accent?
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Aug 23, 2023 17:23:22 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Aug 23, 2023 17:23:22 GMT
There were two old fellas in the chippy a couple of days ago talking about the Chubby Brown concert they'd been to. He reminds me of Jim Davidson in the way he tells a joke. There's no playfulness, no clown side to draw you in. It's just a hateful prick having a go at things.
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Aug 23, 2023 17:40:30 GMT
Post by Stacy Heydon on Aug 23, 2023 17:40:30 GMT
Might be a random observation, but growing up I had no idea that Jim Davidson was a racist. I guess I was pretty young when he was on TV doing his Chalky White stuff, but I literally had no idea he was meant to be impersonating a black guy. I just thought he was doing a stupid voice. I mean, Wigan was the least multicultural place on earth, and I hadn't encountered many bame people, but if not enough people called him out on his racism, surely more should've called him out on the shitness of his accent? I was watching an old Sweeney repeated on ITV3 the other day. Kenny Lynch was meant to be in it, but I realised I hadn't seen him at all. Because I've seen these episodes quite a few times I remembered that he kept doing a comedy Jamaican accent, a bit like Chalky White. On the new repeats they obviously thought this would offend and so cut them out, which I can understand if it was a white guy, but Lynch was black. He ended up having no scenes at all!
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Aug 23, 2023 17:44:08 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Aug 23, 2023 17:44:08 GMT
People don't tend to be naturally funny, do they? I wonder if, as we grow older and face more responsibilities and more worries, we tend to be less likely to make people laugh. Also we tend to get the rough edges knocked off us, we end up conforming a bit more.
I remember when I was a kid, and still when I was a student, you'd meet people regularly who were just funny. Now the folk I work with are friendly enough, but rarely actually funny.
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Post by riggers on Aug 23, 2023 17:50:00 GMT
I remember laughing so hard that my sides hurt and I couldn't speak. Crying laughing at early performances by Jerry Sadowitz and Eddie Izzard.
They both seemed to be exploring new territories in different ways. The laughter was exhilharating, like a good musical performance. Adrenaline going, the lot.
Can't imagine laughing that much at anything these days, although Stewart Lee has come close to inducing that state, but on a milder scale. Possibly because it was via a TV performance, rather than live, where hysteria can be infectious.
Funnily enough another great performance I saw early on in his career was Peter Kay, when I was working in Bill Wyman's "Sticky Fingers" in Manchester.
He was hired for some corporate do, but the people who had hired him sat round stony faced, whereas myself and the other staff who were finishing our shifts sat at the bar, drinking and pissing ourselves.
The antithesis of Stewart Lee really and Lee mocks Kay and his ilk (" Who remembers things, eh, eh?..." etc) but this was about '98 and that stuff hadn't become ubiquitous.
I'm not that interested in him now, but I think "Phoenix Nights" is one of the all time great sitcoms. An early peak, like with Gervais and "The Office ".
Oh, and round these parts, Tommy Cooper, Eric Morecambe and Frankie Howerd are COMEDY GIANTS.
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Post by Stacy Heydon on Aug 23, 2023 18:04:50 GMT
People don't tend to be naturally funny, do they? I wonder if, as we grow older and face more responsibilities and more worries, we tend to be less likely to make people laugh. Also we tend to get the rough edges knocked off us, we end up conforming a bit more. I remember when I was a kid, and still when I was a student, you'd meet people regularly who were just funny. Now the folk I work with are friendly enough, but rarely actually funny. I suspect as people grow older many, not all obviously, compartmentalise it, so they'll be funny with their best mate but not with a co-worker necessarily.
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Aug 23, 2023 18:05:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 18:05:56 GMT
I need to be in the mood to watch lee. His repetitive schtick gets a bit annoying after awhile, but he does have some funny bits outside that.
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Aug 23, 2023 18:08:31 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Aug 23, 2023 18:08:31 GMT
I need to be in the mood to watch lee. His repetitive schtick gets a bit annoying after awhile, but he does have some funny bits outside that. He wasn't great the other night. Couple of good bits.
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Aug 23, 2023 18:09:54 GMT
Post by Stacy Heydon on Aug 23, 2023 18:09:54 GMT
I remember laughing so hard that my sides hurt and I couldn't speak. Crying laughing at early performances by Jerry Sadowitz and Eddie Izzard. They both seemed to be exploring new territories in different ways. The laughter was exhilharating, like a good musical performance. Adrenaline going, the lot. Can't imagine laughing that much at anything these days, although Stewart Lee has come close to inducing that state, but on a milder scale. Possibly because it was via a TV performance, rather than live, where hysteria can be infectious. Funnily enough another great performance I saw early on in his career was Peter Kay, when I was working in Bill Wyman's "Sticky Fingers" in Manchester. He was hired for some corporate do, but the people who had hired him sat round stony faced, whereas myself and the other staff who were finishing our shifts sat at the bar, drinking and pissing ourselves. The antithesis of Stewart Lee really and Lee mocks Kay and his ilk (" Who remembers things, eh, eh?..." etc) but this was about '98 and that stuff hadn't become ubiquitous. I don't mind that more conventional stand up if it's done well, Kevin Bridges cam make me laugh for example. I like Stewart Lee, but he can be a dreadful snob.
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Aug 23, 2023 18:15:57 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Aug 23, 2023 18:15:57 GMT
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Aug 23, 2023 18:16:40 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 23, 2023 18:16:40 GMT
Kay is funny and warm but it’s a kind of humour that some get snobby about it.
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Aug 23, 2023 18:17:24 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Aug 23, 2023 18:17:24 GMT
Lee is, of course, a regime comic and a fat coward.
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