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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 12:14:46 GMT
If you don't think there's "long term" damage for parents pushing their kids in to this, then i don't know what to say. If parents push their kids into doing something they don't want to do, then of course that would result in long-term damage. Nobody would deny that. But how often is that happening? You're just presenting scenarios as if they were commonplace. Get some statistics, back up your points. Or don't! 'nah thanks you're grand' Isn't it terrible that kids push other kids into spinning merry-go-rounds, causing terrible, life-changing harm? We should ban all playgrounds! Well....yeah, the US is one strange country in so many ways. I don't remember things being so divided - simultaneously backward and progressive. And it's hard to give a shit sometimes because it seems so out of control, and so isolated. They're their own worst enemies.
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Post by cousinlou on Jun 9, 2022 12:33:19 GMT
You two tend to see things in absolutes. 'It's terrible what they're doing...',or 'they're encouraging them to transition!' etc. You might also consider that it's not that there are MORE trans kids, but more that are OPEN about it because they're less likely to face ignorance and hostility in 2022. I'm aware of the mistakes that have been made and you can see that parents are often responsible. But I do genuinely see it as good news that young people today are being allowed to make changes that impact so positively on their own lives. For years they weren't even able to contemplate it, and had to live miserable lives. Yes, I think the pendulum has swung too far in one direction in certain regions - California for sure. That's to be expected, those folk are off the fucking charts But unlike you two, I don't see we're heading for some kind of hell over the long term. Again i think you need to read up on it more. There is more openness to this and the world is better for it. If you don't think there's "long term" damage for parents pushing their kids in to this, then i don't know what to say. Would you laugh it off and say 'opps' i f you're parents had your dick chopped off at an age where you were trying to fit in, hormonal, trying to please your parents, basically pre 16 years of age? This is mainly an US thing if you read in to it. I've stopped saying things like "the world has gone mad" etc etc, because i noticed i only would think that after reading something that happened in the US. Crazy shit does happen around the world but let's be honest the proper thing to say is "The US has gone mad". You make it sound as if parents are forcing children to transition. I think there is little proof for that. According to American research, the time between first memory and first action to transform is about 15 years.
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 13:24:12 GMT
If you don't think there's "long term" damage for parents pushing their kids in to this, then i don't know what to say. If parents push their kids into doing something they don't want to do, then of course that would result in long-term damage. Nobody would deny that. But how often is that happening? You're just presenting scenarios as if they were commonplace. Get some statistics, back up your points. Or don't! 'nah thanks you're grand' Isn't it terrible that kids push other kids into spinning merry-go-rounds, causing terrible, life-changing harm? We should ban all playgrounds! I don't have the exact stats here, i admit, but it is happening. The small/large scale of it shouldn't really be a factor. Also that comparison/analogy of the merrygorounds etc is fucking embarrassing, it's nothing at all like that at all or in the slightest.
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 13:58:57 GMT
Again i think you need to read up on it more. There is more openness to this and the world is better for it. If you don't think there's "long term" damage for parents pushing their kids in to this, then i don't know what to say. Would you laugh it off and say 'opps' i f you're parents had your dick chopped off at an age where you were trying to fit in, hormonal, trying to please your parents, basically pre 16 years of age? This is mainly an US thing if you read in to it. I've stopped saying things like "the world has gone mad" etc etc, because i noticed i only would think that after reading something that happened in the US. Crazy shit does happen around the world but let's be honest the proper thing to say is "The US has gone mad". You make it sound as if parents are forcing children to transition. I think there is little proof for that. According to American research, the time between first memory and first action to transform is about 15 years. 'Forcing' is the wrong word to use, so i shouldn't have used it. Influencing would be a better word, something parents do every day. I do think that happens, instead of lets see how this plays out without encouraging or discouraging it which is a better approach.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 14:10:43 GMT
The small/large scale of it shouldn't really be a factor. Why not?
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 14:24:10 GMT
The small/large scale of it shouldn't really be a factor. Why not? It's kinda like an argument i seen for defending gun rights. The argument was that there's has only been x amount of school shootings in the past 29 years. It doesn't matter the number, it should be given it's due concern.
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Post by rayge on Jun 9, 2022 14:38:24 GMT
It's kinda like an argument i seen for defending gun rights. The argument was that there's has only been x amount of school shootings in the past 29 years. It doesn't matter the number, it should be given it's due concern. Now that's a fucking shit analogy if ever I've seen one. Apart from the fact that I've never seen anyone advance that argument about gun rights.
And you seem to have bought onto yet another moral panic manufactured by right-wing media. I've lived through literally hundreds of them, they're all nonsense, every single fucking one, and they all pale into insignificance beyond the one thing they're (not the correct use of this spelling, btw) designed to divert people from, that the word is shit because they bought into the big lies.
I'm not pro-'' or anti-'', the whole fucking thing is a mirage to keep people fretting about things that actually don't affect them personally so they don't realize how free they actually are.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 14:41:13 GMT
You two tend to see things in absolutes. 'It's terrible what they're doing...',or 'they're encouraging them to transition!' etc. You might also consider that it's not that there are MORE trans kids, but more that are OPEN about it because they're less likely to face ignorance and hostility in 2022. I'm aware of the mistakes that have been made and you can see that parents are often responsible. But I do genuinely see it as good news that young people today are being allowed to make changes that impact so positively on their own lives. For years they weren't even able to contemplate it, and had to live miserable lives. Yes, I think the pendulum has swung too far in one direction in certain regions - California for sure. That's to be expected, those folk are off the fucking charts But unlike you two, I don't see we're heading for some kind of hell over the long term. You tend to see "progressive" things as basically good and worthy with some minor problems maybe thrown in. With respect, like Markus says, I don't think you've really looked into this much at all. 1/30000 men and 1/100000 women have gender dysphoria. It’s a tiny minority thing. I saw a graph illustrating the numbers of “trans” kids in California with this staggering exponential growth and it was ridiculous. I mean it was like a line shooting up like a rocket. What we are witnessing is not what you suggest, it is not more people with genuine gender dysphoria simply being open about it, it is clearly something else. I dunno how you would describe it, a social contagion perhaps, a kind of hysteria, a social phenomenon among the kids of middle/upper class Californian “progressives”. Of course there is a big fad element here. As Huey Lewis would now sing, “it’s hip to be trans!” It’s cool to be gay/bisexual/pansexual too! Anything but straight! I get that. Gives their parents something to talk about, makes the kids feel different and special and gives them something to rebel with. That will die down at some point but it’s fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain who’s been keeping up that it’s the parents and teachers, the so called adults who are responsible for this phenomenon, for it is them who subscribe to the ideology and it is them pushing it on children. I mean if you tell a group of school children there are multiple genders and sometimes you might feel a bit like a girl/boy therefore you must be non-binary and should use certain pronouns or that some men are actually women and some women are actually men then OF COURSE you are going to confuse the poor little bastards and OF COURSE some will put up their hands and shout, “Miss! I’m non-binary!”. But not only are you lying to them (which I thought was a bad thing to do) you are needlessly confusing kids, fucking around with their biological identity and putting all this retarded adult shit into their vulnerable heads all because you, the adult has fallen for pseudo academic nonsense. Weeeeeeee! Is it wrong to ask how many kids will be psychologically damaged by this stuff? And for what? The 1/30,000 and the 1/100,000 that have a genuine psychological disorder that should be treated separately? This is madness. Pure insanity. Go on the Internet John and start watching some of these videos of these teachers who have been caught out or the school kids whose parents are obviously brainwashed by this stuff and they are raising their kids as “gender neutral” or some poor boy wearing a dress to please his deluded Mother. It’s child abuse man. And no we don’t have statistics because it’s hard to get empirical data about this stuff but, you know, it’s surely happening but clearly in some social groups a lot more than others for obvious reasons. Here’s the Bill Maher clip.....it's nice to see at least one Democrat get it. What changes are your referring to? A 5 year old using made up pronouns? A 6 year being encouraged to identify as the opposite sex? Children being taught made up gender ideology? A teenager being allowed to take drugs that irreversibly change their body? People have been transitioning for decades now so it’s not a new thing and there are more options than ever for young people who have genuine gender dysphoria (but all at a cost!) to maybe explore that route but then is using drugs and surgery to treat psychological issues really the best solution here? And what about those who are going down that route to treat other issues that are not actually gender dysphoria but are being treated as such amidst the hysteria? Do you not think we are possibly misdiagnosing people with more general psychological issues and ascribing this various ailments to gender issues? Especially when you are talking about kids and teenagers who are very often confused anyway and, frankly, easily influenced by adults and the world around them? Have I mentioned that gender identity “issues” disproportionately affects autistic kids too? Hmmm, yeah. It's a dumpster fire. You may have heard about a new documentary that came out called What is a Woman? It’s worth a watch. odysee.com/What-is-a-Woman--(2022):7dbf76e9183a38ff34f8e24b6e1bfeb539333819?fbclid=IwAR2_0946dqqe9ijPED8KWT27Iys9bZz0T0pBK-_STWnzHhmrm0lAjH55H-wCheck out the poor bastard who is now a trans man who transitioned late in life. Listen to his warning about children.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 14:45:44 GMT
1/30000 men and 1/100000 women have gender dysphoria. source?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 14:48:43 GMT
Black's Medical Dictionary
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 14:49:37 GMT
It's kinda like an argument i seen for defending gun rights. The argument was that there's has only been x amount of school shootings in the past 29 years. It doesn't matter the number, it should be given it's due concern. Now that's a fucking shit analogy if ever I've seen one. Apart from the fact that I've never seen anyone advance that argument about gun rights. And you seem to have bought onto yet another moral panic manufactured by right-wing media. I've lived through literally hundreds of them, they're all nonsense, every single fucking one, and they all pale into insignificance beyond the one thing they're (not the correct use of this spelling, btw) designed to divert people from, that the word is shit because they bought into the big lies. I'm not pro-'' or anti-'', the whole fucking thing is a mirage to keep people fretting about things that actually don't affect them personally so they don't realize how free they actually are.
Just because you didn't hear the argument, doesn't mean it wasn't made. The "you bought in to the right wing media" argument, no harm but it gets thrown out when someone doesn't have an proper answer. Just because i agree with one of the right wings points of view doesn't mean i've fallen for some shite they're thrown out. It just doesn't. Your last bit of the paragraph should be for amercians only because they're mad in to that 'freedom' and 'slippery slope' shit than anyone one else. I'm in Ireland, we're grand.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 14:50:38 GMT
It's kinda like an argument i seen for defending gun rights. The argument was that there's has only been x amount of school shootings in the past 29 years. It doesn't matter the number, it should be given it's due concern. Now that's a fucking shit analogy if ever I've seen one. Apart from the fact that I've never seen anyone advance that argument about gun rights.
And you seem to have bought onto yet another moral panic manufactured by right-wing media. I've lived through literally hundreds of them, they're all nonsense, every single fucking one, and they all pale into insignificance beyond the one thing they're (not the correct use of this spelling, btw) designed to divert people from, that the word is shit because they bought into the big lies.
I'm not pro-'' or anti-'', the whole fucking thing is a mirage to keep people fretting about things that actually don't affect them personally so they don't realize how free they actually are.
What's the BIG LIE?!
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 14:50:45 GMT
Black's Medical Dictionary THAT rag!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 14:53:08 GMT
Watch the Maher clip and watch the documentary.
There is one poor trans fella who will break your heart.
Trust me, all this will collapse at some point. Litigation, broken bodies, destroyed lives. You don't want to be on That side when it does.
Come on John, give me your HAND. C'mon.
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 14:54:31 GMT
Black's Medical Dictionary THAT rag! Yeah Doug! TEFL training manual or nothing!!!!!!!
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