|
Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jun 9, 2022 14:55:05 GMT
Kids being forced to transition against their will because the parents think it's cool has to be the stupidest shit I've ever read here.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 14:55:15 GMT
What about the lady boys in Thailand? They seem happy enough.
|
|
|
Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 14:58:52 GMT
What about the lady boys in Thailand? They seem happy enough. Just back are you?
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 15:05:32 GMT
What about the lady boys in Thailand? They seem happy enough. I've been meaning to go and see their show for years! They always turn up at the Edinburgh festival.
|
|
|
Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 15:05:49 GMT
You two tend to see things in absolutes. 'It's terrible what they're doing...',or 'they're encouraging them to transition!' etc. You might also consider that it's not that there are MORE trans kids, but more that are OPEN about it because they're less likely to face ignorance and hostility in 2022. I'm aware of the mistakes that have been made and you can see that parents are often responsible. But I do genuinely see it as good news that young people today are being allowed to make changes that impact so positively on their own lives. For years they weren't even able to contemplate it, and had to live miserable lives. Yes, I think the pendulum has swung too far in one direction in certain regions - California for sure. That's to be expected, those folk are off the fucking charts But unlike you two, I don't see we're heading for some kind of hell over the long term. You tend to see "progressive" things as basically good and worthy with some minor problems maybe thrown. With respect, like Markus says, I don't think you've really looked into this much at all. 1/30000 men and 1/100000 women have gender dysphoria. It’s a tiny minority thing. I saw a graph illustrating the numbers of “trans” kids in California with this staggering exponential growth and it was ridiculous. I mean it was like a line shooting up like a rocket. What we are witnessing is not what you suggest, it is not more people with genuine gender dysphoria simply being open about it, it is clearly something else. I dunno how you would describe it, a social contagion perhaps, a kind of hysteria, a social phenomenon among the kids of middle/upper class Californian “progressives”. Of course there is a big fad element here. As Huey Lewis would now sing, “it’s hip to be trans!” It’s cool to be gay/bisexual/pansexual too! Anything but straight! I get that. Gives their parents something to talk about, makes the kids feel different and special and gives them something to rebel with. That will die down at some point but it’s fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain who’s been keeping up that it’s the parents and teachers, the so called adults who are responsible for this phenomenon, for it is them who subscribe to the ideology and it is them pushing it on children. I mean if you tell a group of school children there are multiple genders and sometimes you might feel a bit like a girl/boy therefore you must be non-binary and should use certain pronouns or that some men are actually women and some women are actually men then OF COURSE you are going to confuse the poor little bastards and OF COURSE some will put up their hands and shout, “Miss! I’m non-binary!”. But not only are you lying to them (which I thought was a bad thing to do) you are needlessly confusing kids, fucking around with their biological identity and putting all this retarded adult shit into their vulnerable heads all because you, the adult has fallen for pseudo academic nonsense. Weeeeeeee! Is it wrong to ask how many kids will be psychologically damaged by this stuff? And for what? The 1/30,000 and the 1/100,000 that have a genuine psychological disorder that should be treated separately? This is madness. Pure insanity. Go on the Internet John and start watching some of these videos of these teachers who have been caught out or the school kids whose parents are obviously brainwashed by this stuff and they are raising their kids as “gender neutral” or some poor boy wearing a dress to please his deluded Mother. It’s child abuse man. And no we don’t have statistics because it’s hard to get empirical data about this stuff but, you know, it’s surely happening but clearly in some social groups a lot more than others for obvious reasons. Here’s the Bill Maher clip.....it's nice to see at least one Democrat get it. What changes are your referring to? A 5 year old using made up pronouns? A 6 year being encouraged to identify as the opposite sex? Children being taught made up gender ideology? A teenager being allowed to take drugs that irreversibly change their body? People have been transitioning for decades now so it’s not a new thing and there are more options than ever for young people who have genuine gender dysphoria (but all at a cost!) to maybe explore that route but then is using drugs and surgery to treat psychological issues really the best solution here? And what about those who are going down that route to treat other issues that are not actually gender dysphoria but are being treated as such amidst the hysteria? Do you not think we are possibly misdiagnosing people with more general psychological issues and ascribing this various ailments to gender issues? Especially when you are talking about kids and teenagers who are very often confused anyway and, frankly, easily influenced by adults and the world around them? Have I mentioned that gender identity “issues” disproportionately affects autistic kids too? Hmmm, yeah. It's a dumpster fire. You may have heard about a new documentary that came out called What is a Woman? It’s worth a watch. odysee.com/What-is-a-Woman--(2022):7dbf76e9183a38ff34f8e24b6e1bfeb539333819?fbclid=IwAR2_0946dqqe9ijPED8KWT27Iys9bZz0T0pBK-_STWnzHhmrm0lAjH55H-wCheck out the poor bastard who is now a trans man who transitioned late in life. Listen to his warning about children. This post reminds me of how obsessive you were with the whole Corbyn/anti-semitism thing. Remember? You decide on a point of view (which goes against what you regard as 'progressive liberal'), you seem to spend a fair bit of time looking for evidence to back up this particular point of view, and then you post this evidence all over the board, alongside several self-written paragraphs which you clearly put a lot of work into. You dedicate more time and energy to these things than anything else on the board. Is that fair? I'm not trying to piss you off here! That's honestly how it looks. I'm just a bit puzzled as to why you - a RUPAUL'S DRAG RACE SUPER-FAN for fuck's sake! - get so deep with these issues. I'm sure some of what you've posted is reasonable but it's all so one-sided so forgive me for not reading it all or listening to the links. You don't show any sign of doubt, you're not open to discussion really. It's all HEADLINE NEWS!! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?! Maher I like but he's notorious for this approach too. He'll invite guests on his show only to have the last say - which is ostensibly 'common sense', but really stubborn, moderate right-wing table-thumper. Look - I'm trying to see these developments as positive. I think generally they are. You can find examples where the changes have resulted in some disasters. You can ALWAYS find that, especially in the early stages of a socio-cultural change. You know me a bit, I'm not known exactly for having a sunny disposition (although I'm much more positive than people give me credit for!). But yeah - changes that you term 'progressive' as far as I'm concerned ARE generally good. Because if not, then where are we? People terrified to go out, victimisation?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 15:15:14 GMT
Is this just a 'Californian' problem? It's not much of an issue over here, is it?
|
|
|
Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 15:18:04 GMT
Is this just a 'Californian' problem? It's not much of an issue over here, is it? Yeah, I suppose it's worse there. And I do tend to go along with Dougie's characterisation of that state. I can't really relate to a lot of what I hear from those people. We need to hear from Jim or Dave or someone now, really. One of the LA lot.
|
|
|
Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 15:25:12 GMT
I'm just a bit puzzled as to why you - a RUPAUL'S DRAG RACE SUPER-FAN for fuck's sake! - get so deep with these issues That's one thing i never understood. Doug is well capable of arguing for himself, it's this if you agree or like something then you're by definition 100% all in! You agree with everything connected to it. Why? You can agree with something and disagree with some aspects of it. I mean The Mighty Radiohead are the best band ever, but Pablo Honey is shit! Despite what people might think of me from the points i have made on here, i don't have issues with transgenderism, more power to you. It's just when any (alot/few) kids are making possible life changing decisions, it has to be at least honestly debated in good faith.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 15:36:21 GMT
I'm just a bit puzzled as to why you - a RUPAUL'S DRAG RACE SUPER-FAN for fuck's sake! - get so deep with these issues That's one thing i never understood. Doug is well capable of arguing for himself, it's this if you agree or like something then you're by definition 100% all in! You agree with everything connected to it. Why? You can agree with something and disagree with some aspects of it. I mean The Mighty Radiohead are the best band ever, but Pablo Honey is shit! Despite what people might think of me from the points i have made on here, i don't have issues with transgenderism, more power to you. It's just when any (alot/few) kids are making possible life changing decisions, it has to be at least honestly debated in good faith. It should and there's nothing wrong in having an opinion on it. It's just when it's something happening a long way away, it's difficult to understand the context and nuances that you need to have an informed opinion. Instead you're (I don't mean you personally, I'm using the word generally) relying on media which often have their own agendas. I don't know enough on the Californian legal system to be able to comment on something like this.
|
|
|
Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 15:40:17 GMT
Yeah i've looked in to this a bit. I don't watch US News, because it's not news it's entertainment. I might not be an expert but i know/researched enough to have an opinion.
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 16:21:53 GMT
You tend to see "progressive" things as basically good and worthy with some minor problems maybe thrown. With respect, like Markus says, I don't think you've really looked into this much at all. 1/30000 men and 1/100000 women have gender dysphoria. It’s a tiny minority thing. I saw a graph illustrating the numbers of “trans” kids in California with this staggering exponential growth and it was ridiculous. I mean it was like a line shooting up like a rocket. What we are witnessing is not what you suggest, it is not more people with genuine gender dysphoria simply being open about it, it is clearly something else. I dunno how you would describe it, a social contagion perhaps, a kind of hysteria, a social phenomenon among the kids of middle/upper class Californian “progressives”. Of course there is a big fad element here. As Huey Lewis would now sing, “it’s hip to be trans!” It’s cool to be gay/bisexual/pansexual too! Anything but straight! I get that. Gives their parents something to talk about, makes the kids feel different and special and gives them something to rebel with. That will die down at some point but it’s fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain who’s been keeping up that it’s the parents and teachers, the so called adults who are responsible for this phenomenon, for it is them who subscribe to the ideology and it is them pushing it on children. I mean if you tell a group of school children there are multiple genders and sometimes you might feel a bit like a girl/boy therefore you must be non-binary and should use certain pronouns or that some men are actually women and some women are actually men then OF COURSE you are going to confuse the poor little bastards and OF COURSE some will put up their hands and shout, “Miss! I’m non-binary!”. But not only are you lying to them (which I thought was a bad thing to do) you are needlessly confusing kids, fucking around with their biological identity and putting all this retarded adult shit into their vulnerable heads all because you, the adult has fallen for pseudo academic nonsense. Weeeeeeee! Is it wrong to ask how many kids will be psychologically damaged by this stuff? And for what? The 1/30,000 and the 1/100,000 that have a genuine psychological disorder that should be treated separately? This is madness. Pure insanity. Go on the Internet John and start watching some of these videos of these teachers who have been caught out or the school kids whose parents are obviously brainwashed by this stuff and they are raising their kids as “gender neutral” or some poor boy wearing a dress to please his deluded Mother. It’s child abuse man. And no we don’t have statistics because it’s hard to get empirical data about this stuff but, you know, it’s surely happening but clearly in some social groups a lot more than others for obvious reasons. Here’s the Bill Maher clip.....it's nice to see at least one Democrat get it. What changes are your referring to? A 5 year old using made up pronouns? A 6 year being encouraged to identify as the opposite sex? Children being taught made up gender ideology? A teenager being allowed to take drugs that irreversibly change their body? People have been transitioning for decades now so it’s not a new thing and there are more options than ever for young people who have genuine gender dysphoria (but all at a cost!) to maybe explore that route but then is using drugs and surgery to treat psychological issues really the best solution here? And what about those who are going down that route to treat other issues that are not actually gender dysphoria but are being treated as such amidst the hysteria? Do you not think we are possibly misdiagnosing people with more general psychological issues and ascribing this various ailments to gender issues? Especially when you are talking about kids and teenagers who are very often confused anyway and, frankly, easily influenced by adults and the world around them? Have I mentioned that gender identity “issues” disproportionately affects autistic kids too? Hmmm, yeah. It's a dumpster fire. You may have heard about a new documentary that came out called What is a Woman? It’s worth a watch. odysee.com/What-is-a-Woman--(2022):7dbf76e9183a38ff34f8e24b6e1bfeb539333819?fbclid=IwAR2_0946dqqe9ijPED8KWT27Iys9bZz0T0pBK-_STWnzHhmrm0lAjH55H-wCheck out the poor bastard who is now a trans man who transitioned late in life. Listen to his warning about children. This post reminds me of how obsessive you were with the whole Corbyn/anti-semitism thing. Remember? You decide on a point of view (which goes against what you regard as 'progressive liberal'), you seem to spend a fair bit of time looking for evidence to back up this particular point of view, and then you post this evidence all over the board, alongside several self-written paragraphs which you clearly put a lot of work into. You dedicate more time and energy to these things than anything else on the board. Is that fair? I'm not trying to piss you off here! That's honestly how it looks. I'm just a bit puzzled as to why you - a RUPAUL'S DRAG RACE SUPER-FAN for fuck's sake! - get so deep with these issues. I'm sure some of what you've posted is reasonable but it's all so one-sided so forgive me for not reading it all or listening to the links. You don't show any sign of doubt, you're not open to discussion really. It's all HEADLINE NEWS!! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?! Maher I like but he's notorious for this approach too. He'll invite guests on his show only to have the last say - which is ostensibly 'common sense', but really stubborn, moderate right-wing table-thumper. Look - I'm trying to see these developments as positive. I think generally they are. You can find examples where the changes have resulted in some disasters. You can ALWAYS find that, especially in the early stages of a socio-cultural change. You know me a bit, I'm not known exactly for having a sunny disposition (although I'm much more positive than people give me credit for!). But yeah - changes that you term 'progressive' as far as I'm concerned ARE generally good. Because if not, then where are we? People terrified to go out, victimisation? And I was right about the anti-Semitism thing too. I'm good like that! Remember who denied it, for there was quite a few wasn't there? Not their finest hour but one of mine! It's not about me going against some progressive thing simply because it is "progressive", it's me going against it because it is anti-truth, anti-science, destructive lunacy that just happens to be labelled "progressive" by people like yourself. You understand the difference right? You understand that when a society abandons truth and logic to this extent and follows ideology bad things will follow? Why do I go so deep? Why are others so shallow? Because subjects like this are a lightning rod for peoples madness and it's something to be pushed back against imo. All the bullshit is there...the lies, the self-deceit, the ideology, the groupthink, the tribalism, the misplaced compassion, the hypocrisy (anti vax is anti science! Trans women are women!) etc. It's maddening to people like me and to many others too which I suspect you don't quite get but it's symptomatic of something wider and troubling in our society that many people are deeply concerned about and, frankly, sick to fucking death of. The other day somebody asked me why I still bother to post here considering some of the posters and I genuinely had to ask myself why do I bother? What's the point? Why the fuck am I here writing this shit and getting into this nonsense when in the real world, outside the bubble people on this board inhabit nobody would find anything I say problematic or worth challenging at all? What's a woman Preludin? Er, WE DUNNO. I guess the joke is on me though, huh? Engaging with fucking idiots. A positive development would be to help people with genuine gender dysphoria in a way that doesn't harm and fuck up other people as a consequence and which maybe doesn't always rely on "helping" those people with drugs and surgery perhaps. Nothing controversial about that is there? How is it all one sided? What other side is there John? That trans women SHOULD compete against women? That they should be able to access female only spaces just cos some bloke identifies as a bird now? That trans women really are women? That medical experiments on children are a great thing with no serious problems at all? That the numbers of so called trans kids actually is all kids with gender dysphoria and not something else? Put forward an opposing argument for discussion then. Instead of that, you bail out by having a slight dig at me and then say this... I'm sure some of what you've posted is reasonable but it's all so one-sided so forgive me for not reading it all or listening to the links. You don't show any sign of doubt, you're not open to discussion really. It's all HEADLINE NEWS!! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!?! Maher I like but he's notorious for this approach too. He'll invite guests on his show only to have the last say - which is ostensibly 'common sense', but really stubborn, moderate right-wing table-thumper.Reality is always there John, waiting for you whether you like it or not! Right wing table thumper? For crissakes just deal with the points rather than doing what people like you so often do (see also Rayge) and label something "right wing" therefore rendering it incorrect and not something to be dealt with because it disagrees with your pov. Maher actually does talk common sense on this issue even if I disagree with him on other things. Watch the documentary and see the people who have pushed gender ideology on children and young adults. Watch and see how fucking stupid and nonsensical they truly are. Go on, see for yourself and remember that you and others, enable these freaks. In the same way you have enabled so much other bullshit that so many are sick to fucking death of.
|
|
|
Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 16:36:48 GMT
Is this just a 'Californian' problem? It's not much of an issue over here, is it? My mate's sister lives in London and she says a lot of parents she encounters are raising their kids to be "gender neutral". Whatever the fuck that means ("no, you're not playing with that toy car, George!"). It's a fashionable thing for London middle class types. Urban. Hence why in America it's more popular in California and New York because the mind virus spreads easily in urban areas. Essentially it's anti biology of course. The blank slate idea. Gender ideology is rooted in it (as is modern feminism and it was the radical feminists who have pushed the gender is a social construct nonsense over the years so the two are strongly linked).
|
|
|
Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 16:38:10 GMT
Great - you've managed to find people who talk shit. Why would I want to watch it? What purpose would it serve? Are they representative? So they're controversial - ok. The documentary is blocked. I did a quick search on it. The first thing that came up was this: www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/dangerous-deception-matt-walshs-documentary-woman/subheading - the doc is 'full of transphobic lies'. So - not worth going any further with that one, I don't think. (but is this where you got the term 'dumpster fire' from? I hadn't heard it before) And again with the 'I'm right, fuck you' stuff. You realise why people hate that? From anyone, on any subject?
|
|
|
Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 16:41:00 GMT
Is this just a 'Californian' problem? It's not much of an issue over here, is it? My mate's sister lives in London and she says a lot of parents she encounters are raising their kids to be "gender neutral". Whatever the fuck that means ("no, you're not playing with that toy car, George!"). It's a fashionable thing for London middle class types. Urban. Hence why in America it's more popular in California and New York because the mind virus spreads easily in urban areas. what's the 'mind virus'? I get the dislike of this kind of thing. It goes back a few decades, actually - I remember more than 20 years ago, hearing parents object to their boys being given toy soldiers or their girls being given dolls. I've sort of come around to that objection now, I just hate it when it's stridently expressed.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 16:50:58 GMT
Is this just a 'Californian' problem? It's not much of an issue over here, is it? My mate's sister lives in London and she says a lot of parents she encounters are raising their kids to be "gender neutral". Whatever the fuck that means ("no, you're not playing with that toy car, George!"). It's a fashionable thing for London middle class types. Urban. Hence why in America it's more popular in California and New York because the mind virus spreads easily in urban areas. Essentially it's anti biology of course. The blank slate idea. Gender ideology is rooted in it (as is modern feminism and it was the radical feminists who have pushed the gender is a social construct nonsense over the years so the two are strongly linked). I don't know if I was to go so far as to prescribe "gender neutral" because I think often both genders are naturally predisposed towards certain behaviours (boys tend to be more 'rough and tumble' in the way they play for example) and that's fine, but I do think wanting to avoid overt gender stereotyping in the way you bring up your child is quite a healthy thing. There's a reason, after all, why women have been grossly under-represented in the senior science professions for example.
|
|