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Post by Markus on Jun 8, 2022 20:20:54 GMT
Remember this lot? I first heard of them watching documentary about Mary Whitehouse. P.I.E
Hard to fucking believe!
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 8, 2022 20:42:25 GMT
I was aware of them. I guess the sexual revolution and liberalisation of the 60s had some darker consequences.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 8, 2022 21:04:55 GMT
Yeah, the idea that 'free love' includes shagging pre-pubescents. They produced 'literature' that promoted these ideas like they were virtuous. I wonder if they themselves actually believed it. It's probably not worth dwelling on.
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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jun 8, 2022 22:18:52 GMT
We had NAMBLA over here. The North American Man/Boy Love Association. They’ve pretty much been driven underground, but I seem to recall them aiming for some form of legitimacy.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 8, 2022 22:35:46 GMT
We had NAMBLA over here. The North American Man/Boy Love Association. oh my God
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Post by DayoRemix on Jun 8, 2022 23:27:03 GMT
THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF MARLON BRANDO LOOK-ALIKES
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Post by cousinlou on Jun 9, 2022 6:22:36 GMT
We had a similar organisation in Holland too. They were forbidden a few years back but they still exist in an underground sort of way.
Indeed an inhereticance from the 60's.
What I never quite understood is that it seems to be a typically male thing. I see spokesmen from time to time but never any women.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 8:38:40 GMT
Yeah, the idea that 'free love' includes shagging pre-pubescents. They produced 'literature' that promoted these ideas like they were virtuous. I wonder if they themselves actually believed it. It's probably not worth dwelling on. It's the whole treating children as if they are adults thing and believing they need to be "liberated" from oppressive adult social/sexual mores. Of course with the intent to exploit this for their own gratification. I would say it isn't worth dwelling on but....that same desire to "liberate" is behind some of the lunacy you see around gender and sexuality in regards to kids today.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 8:49:59 GMT
oh D
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 9:35:52 GMT
Wha? It's adults wanting to "liberate" children from something they view as "oppressive". The impulse is the same.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 9:38:43 GMT
But with one very important difference - today, the decision comes from the young person alone. There's no coercion.
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 10:19:47 GMT
But with one very important difference - today, the decision comes from the young person alone. There's no coercion. No harm i think you should look in to it more. Some parents are treating minors like they're intelligent enough to make this decision. THEY'RE MINORS! they can't properly comprehend their decision fully. Some parents go ahead with surgeries etc on their young kids. I'm in the "if they still feel this way at 18/21, then no problem, i'll pay for the surgery" camp.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 10:27:37 GMT
But with one very important difference - today, the decision comes from the young person alone. There's no coercion. Did you see that Bill Maher clip recently when he's talking about the explosion in the numbers of trans kids? Why do you think the percentage of "trans" kids has increased exponentially in places like California? You think parents and teachers have no influence here and there is nothing being taught in the schools that encourages kids to identity this way? Really? Listen to what some people who have transitioned and who regretted it have said about the medical professionals they encountered as children and teenagers. It's al in the open John. The adults believe they are liberating children to be their "authentic selves". That's the point. Notice how they use the language of liberation. People are therefore "assigned gender/sex" at birth i.e. society itself assigns it rather than your sex being a simple matter of fact because even from day one you are potentially being oppressed you see?
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 10:56:55 GMT
You two tend to see things in absolutes. 'It's terrible what they're doing...',or 'they're encouraging them to transition!' etc. You might also consider that it's not that there are MORE trans kids, but more that are OPEN about it because they're less likely to face ignorance and hostility in 2022. I'm aware of the mistakes that have been made and you can see that parents are often responsible. But I do genuinely see it as good news that young people today are being allowed to make changes that impact so positively on their own lives. For years they weren't even able to contemplate it, and had to live miserable lives. Yes, I think the pendulum has swung too far in one direction in certain regions - California for sure. That's to be expected, those folk are off the fucking charts But unlike you two, I don't see we're heading for some kind of hell over the long term.
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 11:57:43 GMT
You two tend to see things in absolutes. 'It's terrible what they're doing...',or 'they're encouraging them to transition!' etc. You might also consider that it's not that there are MORE trans kids, but more that are OPEN about it because they're less likely to face ignorance and hostility in 2022. I'm aware of the mistakes that have been made and you can see that parents are often responsible. But I do genuinely see it as good news that young people today are being allowed to make changes that impact so positively on their own lives. For years they weren't even able to contemplate it, and had to live miserable lives. Yes, I think the pendulum has swung too far in one direction in certain regions - California for sure. That's to be expected, those folk are off the fucking charts But unlike you two, I don't see we're heading for some kind of hell over the long term. Again i think you need to read up on it more. There is more openness to this and the world is better for it. If you don't think there's "long term" damage for parents pushing their kids in to this, then i don't know what to say. Would you laugh it off and say 'opps' if you're parents had your dick chopped off at an age where you were trying to fit in, hormonal, trying to please your parents, basically pre 16 years of age? This is mainly an US thing if you read in to it. I've stopped saying things like "the world has gone mad" etc etc, because i noticed i only would think that after reading something that happened in the US. Crazy shit does happen around the world but let's be honest the proper thing to say is "The US has gone mad".
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