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Post by Half Machine Lipschitz on Jun 9, 2022 16:54:23 GMT
Hey guys, this is an interesting discussion and all, but shouldn't we be talking about that paedophile organisation? You know how much Markus hates it when threads go off-topic.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 17:12:26 GMT
My mate's sister lives in London and she says a lot of parents she encounters are raising their kids to be "gender neutral". Whatever the fuck that means ("no, you're not playing with that toy car, George!"). It's a fashionable thing for London middle class types. Urban. Hence why in America it's more popular in California and New York because the mind virus spreads easily in urban areas. Essentially it's anti biology of course. The blank slate idea. Gender ideology is rooted in it (as is modern feminism and it was the radical feminists who have pushed the gender is a social construct nonsense over the years so the two are strongly linked). I don't know if I was to go so far as to prescribe "gender neutral" because I think often both genders are naturally predisposed towards certain behaviours (boys tend to be more 'rough and tumble' in the way they play for example) and that's fine Born that way or encouraged to be that way? |
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jun 9, 2022 17:37:16 GMT
Is this just a 'Californian' problem? It's not much of an issue over here, is it? Yeah, I suppose it's worse there. And I do tend to go along with Dougie's characterisation of that state. I can't really relate to a lot of what I hear from those people. We need to hear from Jim or Dave or someone now, really. One of the LA lot. The idea that it's an 'issue' in California is preposterous. Science changes. Society changes. People don't change. There is exactly the same amount of gender dysphoria there has always been throughout history. The bottom line is, we are speaking of a series of individuals. I agree with a lot of what he says here about the general nature of children, and am opposed to any kind of 'indoctrination.' I'm just not convinced it really exists. Is gender reassignment surgery now all the rage? Not that I've heard. Yes, sexuality and gender are ever-evolving things in every individual - making a physical change to your body to accommodate what may be a passing fancy is not something to be taken lightly. I hope anyone who makes such a decision does it with deep conviction - conviction a 6-year-old is simply not capable of. But you'll have to make a much better case to convince me that there's one on every corner out here in liberal California. Do such people exist? Undoubtedly. Do they outnumber the people that think a pedo ring was run from out of a pizzeria basement? Or people stuffing their lips with bee pollen for that 'fresh' look? Not by a longshot. If gender fluidity is a 'trend,' then just like every other trend that's ever existed among the under-18s, it should properly be responded to with a roll of the eyes, a reiteration of how much you love them despite what goofballs they can be and that you will support their well thought-out adult decision completely the second they're old enough to make it for themselves. And that if any of their passing 'phases' turn out to be permanent, you will fully accept and love them for who they are as individuals however they choose to identify themselves. That being more common where I live than it is in rural Montana isn't really something I'm capable of seeing as a problem. |
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Post by toomanyhatz on Jun 9, 2022 17:49:06 GMT
I don't know if I was to go so far as to prescribe "gender neutral" because I think often both genders are naturally predisposed towards certain behaviours (boys tend to be more 'rough and tumble' in the way they play for example) and that's fine Born that way or encouraged to be that way? Yes. (Both.) |
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 17:51:06 GMT
OK.
It's central to this whole theme though isn't it? I imagine in 20 years people in their 20s will be saying 'yeah babies born with male sexual organs were supposed to be more aggressive!' 'no way!' 'yeah, and they were given toy guns to encourage it!'
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 17:56:11 GMT
Great - you've managed to find people who talk shit. Why would I want to watch it? What purpose would it serve? Are they representative? So they're controversial - ok. The documentary is blocked. I did a quick search on it. The first thing that came up was this: www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/dangerous-deception-matt-walshs-documentary-woman/subheading - the doc is 'full of transphobic lies'. So - not worth going any further with that one, I don't think. (but is this where you got the term 'dumpster fire' from? I hadn't heard it before) And again with the 'I'm right, fuck you' stuff. You realise why people hate that? From anyone, on any subject? You should make up your own mind and watch about ten minutes of it to see, instead of just taking the word of one person. I haven't seen it by the way so i have no idea what it's like. I'm talking in general, make up your own mind. I also don't think we're making a 'i'm right , fuck off" stand. It's easy to say that if you don't have a response, i think we're giving you alternatives. It's no skin off our nose if you agree or not. |
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 17:59:25 GMT
Well if this thread moves forward, i think we should leave Left/Right out it and not Americanize the subject. If it goes in to politics, we've lost the point.
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 18:05:34 GMT
Well if this thread moves forward, i think we should leave Left/Right out it and talk about the subject. If it goes in to politics, we've lost the point. jesus fucking wept |
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Post by Markus on Jun 9, 2022 18:06:54 GMT
Yeah yeah John, right/left has been mentioned already and it's pointless to bring it in to this specific discussion.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 18:17:53 GMT
Great - you've managed to find people who talk shit. Why would I want to watch it? What purpose would it serve? Are they representative? So they're controversial - ok. The documentary is blocked. I did a quick search on it. The first thing that came up was this: www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/06/dangerous-deception-matt-walshs-documentary-woman/subheading - the doc is 'full of transphobic lies'. So - not worth going any further with that one, I don't think. (but is this where you got the term 'dumpster fire' from? I hadn't heard it before) And again with the 'I'm right, fuck you' stuff. You realise why people hate that? From anyone, on any subject? Cos people tend to hate being reminded that they were not only wrong but also massive hypocrites? I was right about Labour, yes. In a few years time you'll realise I was right about this madness too. Ok, I won't watch the documentary myself and make up my own mind but I'll rely on the completely impartial and balanced LGBTQ nation website to enlighten me. What next? Pink News, John? You do realise that some of the people he interviews are actually professionals including a trans woman who performs gender reassignment surgery and an insane coot who apparently is a paediatric professor called Dr Forcier who says shit like this.... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10875017/Pediatrician-says-prepubescent-kids-ready-HRT-ask-new-documentary.htmlI'm sure you can find clips online. Meanwhile in the real world, outside of internet messageboards and platitudinous progressive waffle this is happening.... reduxx.info/uk-trans-identified-male-pedophile-avoids-jail-after-being-caught-with-125000-child-sex-abuse-images/?fbclid=IwAR0KPhaMq0pETpE1cI9gXtK_e8cIWO4htdD5MPTtKGtPfTyE1ZdHc9n-FcsPeter Selby, 68, was found with over 125,000 pieces of child sexual abuse media after a police raid in 2019, some of which depicted children as young as three years old. Selby is male but identifies as a transgender ‘woman.’Of the images, over 2,400 were classified as Category A, the most serious type of child sexual abuse media. Images and video in this category can depict penetrative sexual activity, bestiality, and/or sexual sadism. An additional 2,127 were Category B, and 120,864 were Category C.It's good to know that paedophiles are avoiding jail time due to the happy coincidence that they now identify as a woman. |
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Post by oh oooh on Jun 9, 2022 18:25:19 GMT
the Daily Mail? seriously Dougie?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 18:30:59 GMT
My mate's sister lives in London and she says a lot of parents she encounters are raising their kids to be "gender neutral". Whatever the fuck that means ("no, you're not playing with that toy car, George!"). It's a fashionable thing for London middle class types. Urban. Hence why in America it's more popular in California and New York because the mind virus spreads easily in urban areas. what's the 'mind virus'? I get the dislike of this kind of thing. It goes back a few decades, actually - I remember more than 20 years ago, hearing parents object to their boys being given toy soldiers or their girls being given dolls. I've sort of come around to that objection now, I just hate it when it's stridently expressed. Ideology. In this case gender ideology but I would also describe social justice similarly and also feminism. The virus spreads easily among people within the same social/economic circle and because people are generally speaking very group orientated it becomes some kind of accepted social norm very easily. To the point where there are consequences within the social circle if you divert from the new hegemony of course. My basic theory is that part of the reason middle class, affluent types are particularly susceptible to this kind of "progressive" ideology these days is because it appeals to their sense of intellectual snobbery, the perception of them being more enlightened than the masses, and because it satisfies some kind of moral, religious impulse that is missing from their lives giving their materialist existence meaning and purpose it lacks (it's no coincidence that the people who fall prey to the various ideologies tend to be quite militantly atheist for example). Let children be children. If the boy wants to play with a toy car and the girl wants to play with a doll (and vice versa) let 'em. They are not expressing something cultural that is imposed upon them. They are expressing biological and therefore psychological differences between the sexes that manifest in their preferences as children. Parents tend to realise this -unless their ideology dictates otherwise - because they see this in reality. Numerous studies have confirmed this btw. I can really recommend Pinker's Blank Slate for an insight into this stuff too. |
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 18:47:10 GMT
My mate's sister lives in London and she says a lot of parents she encounters are raising their kids to be "gender neutral". Whatever the fuck that means ("no, you're not playing with that toy car, George!"). It's a fashionable thing for London middle class types. Urban. Hence why in America it's more popular in California and New York because the mind virus spreads easily in urban areas. Essentially it's anti biology of course. The blank slate idea. Gender ideology is rooted in it (as is modern feminism and it was the radical feminists who have pushed the gender is a social construct nonsense over the years so the two are strongly linked). I don't know if I was to go so far as to prescribe "gender neutral" because I think often both genders are naturally predisposed towards certain behaviours (boys tend to be more 'rough and tumble' in the way they play for example) and that's fine, but I do think wanting to avoid overt gender stereotyping in the way you bring up your child is quite a healthy thing. There's a reason, after all, why women have been grossly under-represented in the senior science professions for example. Both sexes can manifest masculine/feminine traits and of course some boys are very feminine and some girls are very masculine (tomboys) but parents should leave their children be and let 'em get on with it. That's the healthy thing whether it's a boy with a doll or a girl with a Tonka truck. Gender stereotyping exists because boys and girls have a natural predisposition towards certain things. Out of this emerged typical "boys" toys and typical "girl" toys. Men are into Things, Women are into People, right? The latter are social animals hence why I suspect young girls have a thing about dolls because dolls are little people they can talk to, nurture and look after so even that age their natural maternal, social instincts come through. Boys, however, are into Things hence why it's more cars planes or shit like that. In later life therefore men will tend to gravitate towards certain industries and sectors like engineering, IT and STEM whilst women tend to avoid these and whilst there are always exceptions that's why there are far less woman in STEM. It's psychology. Also, women don't chase status in the same way men do career wise and tend to prioritise family and children hence why you find a lack of woman sometimes in more senior positions in various sectors (this can also contribute of course to gender pay gaps). The left tends to like the blank slate explanation of human nature because A. it appeals to their utopian instincts and the idea that humanity can be perfected and bad things that are innate to our species removed and B. it appeals to them ideologically because if culture/society is what dictates/shapes human nature we can fundamentally change these things by revolutionising society. Hence why some fall for daft ideas like "gender is a social construct" and why the modern left sees lack of diversity in some areas not as an expression of various biological factors but of "system"/cultural issues that can naturally be fixed. Etc. So much of the worlds weirdness is really down to a denial of biology, how it dictates who we are and how it also, crucially limits us. People in the past, unburdened by current ideologies understood this stuff a lot more and built a system around it. We called this The Patriarchy, G lol |
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Jun 9, 2022 19:00:45 GMT
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