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Dec 22, 2019 15:30:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 15:30:23 GMT
Now we're not on the other board, what do we really think of it? Ray's SY thread got me thinking about it as I basically regard them as an 80s version of prog, but I didn't want to derail his thread with that thought. So what do we think? We can't dismiss the whole genre -or can we? What, if anything, is worth keeping?
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Dec 22, 2019 15:36:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 15:36:40 GMT
I like some of it - from the time but also even now. Yes, Tull, King Crimson ... Won't elaborate here as, even with this thread, I think it's not favoured here. But will still play some on occasion.
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Dec 22, 2019 15:43:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 15:43:31 GMT
But I will take the opportunity to post this:
Greg Lake and Ian Anderson. The young guitarist is a German guy called Florian Ophale - I saw him play with Greg Lake 10-15 years ago and he's a stunning player. Now a member of Jethro Tull.
I can see how it would grate on Preludin regulars. But it's a pretty thing.
*Edit: here's a solo from that tour (there were a few in the gig, I think he did a prog-tastic Bach's Toccata & Fugue then too)
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Dec 22, 2019 15:44:50 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Dec 22, 2019 15:44:50 GMT
I'll definitely come back to this, but I think if we're going to categorise music by genre (and I don't see why not), then 'progressive rock' is at the bottom of the pile along with 'blues'.
That's not to say I dislike it all, but I think its absolute dominance on the other board for many years, and the fact that most posts and threads on it were invariably uninformative and unimaginative efforts, has put me off giving much of it a fair trial.
On a good-bad spectrum, Yes are at one end and Camel are at the other. Gentle Giant are still the most interesting of the whole lot to me, but still - 80% of what I've heard is irritating. Jethro Tull had a few great moments early on, but because of the leadership of Ian Anderson, they're kind of a joke. And you can forget nearly everything that Genesis shat out.
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Dec 22, 2019 15:50:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 15:50:06 GMT
Yes are at the good end?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 15:52:54 GMT
Prog and Blues at the bottom?
Yeh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 15:54:18 GMT
I can like bits and pieces, usually the more pastoral side of things, things like Caravan or Curved Air are fine. Basically when it's drawing on folk or jazz. The more it gets towards musical complexity as a thing in itself, the worse it gets generally.
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Dec 22, 2019 15:57:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 15:57:03 GMT
This is a very anti-prog forum, I realise that, so I'll post this and leave the forthcoming hating posts unread
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Dec 22, 2019 15:57:30 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 22, 2019 15:57:30 GMT
Yes ( ) - there's some fine stuff on those early albums. They were always less wispy than their contemporaries, at least on The Yes Album and Fragile.
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Post by rayge on Dec 22, 2019 16:00:23 GMT
I'll definitely come back to this, but I think if we're going to categorise music by genre (and I don't see why not), then 'progressive rock' is at the bottom of the pile along with 'blues'. I too will come back to this, but not before I've taken issue with that last phrase there. If you have in mind 'blooze', twelve bars played by white beer-drinkers with more facial hair than talent, I would be inclined to agree, but otherwise, along with that particularly rancid bathwater, you're also throwing out John Hurt, Robert Johnson, Bessie Smith, Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, Bo Diddley and ultimately the bedrock of rock and roll, then - fo' shame, John, fo' shame.
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Dec 22, 2019 16:01:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 16:01:22 GMT
Yes ( ) - there's some fine stuff on those early albums. They were always less wispy than their contemporaries, at least on The Yes Album and Fragile. To be honest I've never really given them a listen. I've been put off by all the Topographic Oceans type stuff.
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Dec 22, 2019 16:05:57 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 22, 2019 16:05:57 GMT
Yes ( ) - there's some fine stuff on those early albums. They were always less wispy than their contemporaries, at least on The Yes Album and Fragile. To be honest I've never really given them a listen. I've been put off by all the Topographic Oceans type stuff. Forget all that rubbish. Try 'Yours Is No Disgrace'
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Post by rayge on Dec 22, 2019 16:07:14 GMT
And while you are awaiting my return, breath bated, here's something I wrote in the other place vaguely germane to the subject
I also objected to the implicit labelling of what they were progressing from as regressive or primitive – which was just another way of saying 'jigaboo music'.
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Dec 22, 2019 16:09:59 GMT
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Post by oh oooh on Dec 22, 2019 16:09:59 GMT
This is a very anti-prog forum, I realise that, so I'll post this and leave the forthcoming hating posts unread I'm OK with them up to a point but that fella's gurning and prancing really fucks me off. 'Witches Promise' and 'Living In The Past' are really great tho' - groovily evocative Britrock efforts up there with pretty much anything from the period.
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Dec 22, 2019 16:20:08 GMT
Post by oh oooh on Dec 22, 2019 16:20:08 GMT
I can like bits and pieces, usually the more pastoral side of things, things like Caravan or Curved Air are fine. Basically when it's drawing on folk or jazz. The more it gets towards musical complexity as a thing in itself, the worse it gets generally. I agree with this. I like some Caravan - again, it's the early stuff. I think it's closer to folk than prog. This is really a wonder of a song - so joyous, so sweet, it never fails to lift my spirits:
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