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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 22, 2020 21:55:06 GMT
So, one event, with a convicted rapist does not an inclination make. Since he has not transitioned it was a mistake putting him in a female prison. Why do trans issues in the UK need to become women issues? That's a canard.
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Post by tory on Nov 22, 2020 22:04:26 GMT
In general, people in the UK are supportive of trans rights - with one exception, that the legal process should not become easier. yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rightsFor example, I don't support transitioning for people under the age of 18. I've taught one boy who identifies as female at the age of 14 and the amount of protection and support that she needed was faintly heartbreaking for me to witness, but I don't think that such a traumatic process should be consented to until they are of adult age.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 22:06:13 GMT
The principle is the same? Really , what a stretch. Time to leave the Mail online page to history methinks.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 22, 2020 22:19:26 GMT
In general, people in the UK are supportive of trans rights - with one exception, that the legal process should not become easier. yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rightsFor example, I don't support transitioning for people under the age of 18. I've taught one boy who identifies as female at the age of 14 and the amount of protection and support that she needed was faintly heartbreaking for me to witness, but I don't think that such a traumatic process should be consented to until they are of adult age. This is where it gets really delicate, because the most successful transitions occur before/during puberty. The trick figuring who is truly a candidate, there are other stages/phases, that is why concurrent appropriate counseling/therapy needs to happen (by law in the US).
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 25, 2020 8:30:18 GMT
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 25, 2020 8:56:07 GMT
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Post by The Red Heifer on Nov 25, 2020 9:26:11 GMT
Tim Minchin liked one of my tweets the other day, its silly but its always nice when someone famous does that, whether you find them funny or not
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Post by tory on Nov 25, 2020 9:29:20 GMT
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Post by tory on Nov 25, 2020 9:57:22 GMT
From the above piece
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 10:19:56 GMT
So what do we do about it?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 25, 2020 11:21:11 GMT
Speak out. Be honest. Support women who have issues around self-id and start calling out those who abuse these women, even when they are trans themselves (or so they claim). Start looking into what we are doing to "trans" children too because that's gonna blow up in the next few years. Watch the clip I posted and ask yourself what the hell is going on there? The problem here is not "transphobic bigots" like JK Rowling. The problem is that within the trans community there is a group - they have allies of course who are not trans but who support them like Stonewall - who dominate the discourse and who bully and intimidate those who disagree with them, including women like Suzanne Moore or JK Rowling. To these people to deny self-id or to just raise real world issues or question their orthodoxy and dogmatic beliefs makes you a bigot but that's just their way of trying to silence people innit? Push their agenda etc and it's worked remarkably well hence why they keep doing this approach. These people are also trying to rewrite gay history too btw...look into Stonewall and Pink news and how they push the "trans women of colour" being at the forefront of the stonewall riots narrative. It's insane but it's time to start calling it out. And the tragic thing is, in the midst of all of this, you have trans people who are sympathetic and understanding to women who have concerns around self-id. They get it and they aren't happy with those I describe above. Some of these people are quite happy to be called "trans women" too and reject the notion that they are women. They take pride in being a "trans woman" in fact and recognise the difference. One of those is a trans woman called Debbie Hayton who I follow on Twitter. An actual calm, reasonable voice in an area where you don't often find them. By challenging the above you are also supporting those trans people who reject this approach and who want a more nuanced discussion. twitter.com/DebbieHayton
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 11:54:53 GMT
But I don't know anyone who would post that stuff. Surely it's for Twitter to police and regulate their platform more effectively.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 25, 2020 13:04:44 GMT
But I don't know anyone who would post that stuff. Surely it's for Twitter to police and regulate their platform more effectively. Twitter are full of shit and inconsistent as hell but they are biased too because, on this issue, they are on the self-id side themselves so there is a blind spot imo. It's normalised to a degree because supporting self-id is the standard line these days within . Therefore there is a degree of tolerance and acceptance of this behaviour because some people see it as STANDING UP TO TRANSPHOBIC PREJUDICE therefore they turn a blind eye to the abuse. In reality it's people using that particular cloak to simply indulge their own bullshit....but....also, if you believe JK Rowling is akin to a racist then of course you don't have problems in that horrible person being abused online. If you believe that then calling her a TERF is cool too of course. It's akin to pointing and laughing at a KKK twat. "Cis-gender"..."pronouns"...it's all part of the same thing but when a group is so untethered from reality and using their own terms and meanings and then finding everyone else at fault for violating those bespoke meanings then of course they are gonna go down the rabbit hole and believe everyone else is the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 13:08:26 GMT
Just boycott the medium. That's what needs to happen. If these people didn't have an audience, they'd soon shut up.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 25, 2020 13:31:01 GMT
Yeah, I think more and more people are waking up to Twitter and moving away. It's that thing in life where a subgroup, if they are loud enough and forceful enough, can really have an influence way beyond their numbers. To me Twitter (and ) is that particular group...the shrill, the hysterical, the entitled, the mentally ill. It's all a bit tail wagging the dog, innit?
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