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Post by countmachuki on Apr 30, 2019 13:34:40 GMT
Daenarys will become the new Night Queen, trapped behind a wall built by Bran. Cersei will kill herself and any number of other people with that green napalm shit. Sansa will be Queen in the North after Euron kills Jon and is in turn killed by Theon.Arya will sail away to over the sea aka whatever their version of America is. The whole shootin' match will go into Sam's book. SO IT IS WRITTEN. Still not proven wrong! It could still happen!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 15:07:49 GMT
Well whatever happens I'm sure the lack of the half-hour shots of Frostybollocks walking through a snowstorm will be a major loss [*channels Norse*]
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Post by Inspector Norse on May 2, 2019 12:48:26 GMT
Well whatever happens I'm sure the lack of the half-hour shots of Frostybollocks walking through a snowstorm will be a major loss [*channels Norse*] Well I have said I'm still looking forward to the resolutions! I just felt the balance and unpredictability went wrong. New prediction time: The Mountain to kill The Hound in a shock ending to "Cleganebowl". But then Bronn sneaks up and does for The Mountain in some embarrassing way before sauntering off, hands in whatever medieval swordsmen have instead of pockets, whistling a jaunty tune.
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Post by Inspector Norse on May 7, 2019 13:02:13 GMT
Very uneven episode yesterday, with some really good scenes and some examples of the wonky plotting and development that has plagued the last couple of series. I liked the glum after-the-battle scenes at Winterfell and there were a few very good character bits that harked back to earlier series, only now cast in a darker light. And there was a real sense of things starting to splinter, relationships fracturing and characters losing their tether, Daenerys in particular. Qyburn is a delightfully creepy character and it's a shame we haven't got to know him better. The politics were strong in this one, Varys coming to the fore for the first time in years, and SPOILER ALERT
the dragon getting killed really came out of nowhere, while the final stand-off - however awkwardly they'd engineered it - felt really unpredictable and any outcome seemed genuinely possible; for a moment there I thought Cersei was about to off Tyrion, but I guess that she can't quite do it herself, hence having hired Bronn to do the deed.
And yet you also got daft bits like Euron's magic fleet going invisible then covering miles at the speed of light again, Tyrion's very out-of-character remark to Brienne during the drinking game just to prompt what happened next, the rather pat goodbyes to some of the characters at Winterfell, the awkward shoehorning in of the Bronn assassination plot just to give him something to do, and SPOILER ALERT
Euron sinks all Daenerys' ships but all the main people survive and the one person who is taken captive is her BFF, right. And Tyrion has really lost it, hasn't he? I thought we'd already established that he was mistaken about Cersei, it's hard to believe he'd walk into it again like that. But then although Sansa astutely saw that he was afraid of Daenerys, which explains his sticking with her this long, he still defends and supports her even though there are better options available.
Still, pieces in place and all that. I'm hoping that none of the three main players - Jon, Dany or Cersei - ends up on the throne.
A couple of thoughts:
Jaime wants to kill Cersei, doesn't he? That's what he was really getting at in that speech to Brienne: he can't let anyone else do the deed. I'm leaning toward believing he won't be able to do it, Cersei (or someone nearby) will do for him instead - but then Tyrion, the "little brother", will be the one to finally end her.
Perhaps the explanation for Euron's amazing powers of anticipation and stealth is that Varys has been tipping him off?
Daenerys has virtually nobody left now. I think her arc has been handled pretty well: right from the time she got the dragons, she's been getting gradually more and more unhinged and I think she'll lose it now and have to go.
Is the baby real? She's not put any weight on though it must be months since she told Jaime about it, and she was drinking wine recently.
Seriously: what the series needs to go out with a bang is something really unexpected rather than just a three-way showdown for the throne. Jon doesn't even make it to King's Landing next week after Hot Pie serves him a dodgy pasty en route. Euron is really Jaqen Q'Har. Grey Worm and Varys get it on, somehow. Tormund is a secret Targaryen as well. Bran CAN WALK.
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Post by Inspector Norse on May 7, 2019 13:32:34 GMT
Actually I'd love it if episode 5 was just a flashback episode giving us Qyburn's backstory.
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Post by countmachuki on May 7, 2019 15:23:49 GMT
Is the baby real? She's not put any weight on though it must be months since she told Jaime about it, and she was drinking wine recently. Her hair also hasn't grown in several years.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 17:57:55 GMT
I'd hide spoilers but I would just presume that anyone opening this thread has seen the most recent episodes anyway.
Some positives: the show is back to resembling the kind of intrigue it had at its peak. Unfortunately it is pretty clear that the writing isn't as strong as it once was (probably because the screenwriters have moved past the books by now). The quality of the acting is the only thing that's saving it at this stage.
Jon Snow is still too far in love with his biological aunt to be concerned about being the actual heir, or indeed anything else that's actually happening. Has he realised yet that he's the only living Targaryen who can produce a child? Has anyone? Has he realised that the truth would vindicate his biological father? Is he bothered? Has he realised that the truth is what makes the Targaryen dynasty still legitimate? Did he honestly think Sansa and Arya would keep that bombshell a secret? And he's still making stupid mistakes and allowing his armies to walk into pitfalls. Surely there'll be a point when the Lord of Light or whoever it is who's kept him alive by now gets fed up with him and claims that, I don't know, Gilly or someone is the actual last Targaryen.
The death of the second dragon should have been unexpected but I was actually expecting an ambush. It's what Euron does. They were travelling in open sea during broad daylight, escorted by two flying dragons and they didn't anticipate it? Really? And then what the hell was Daenerys doing flying straight into the arrows? Probably the least convincing scenes of the entire series, almost outdone by standing the one remaining dragon and the Anti-Queen straight in front of Cersei's army in the hope that she's in a good mood and doesn't want a fight after all.
At this point I'm almost convinced that Cersei's a more competent leader than either Jon or the post-House Tarly BBQ Daenerys anyway. Moreover, placing so big a point on the protection of the innocent seems a little redundant given the amount of shit we've watched for the last eight years. Euron's character is so boring though. Seriously dull. Of all the great characters that have left and we're left with this sub-Hollywood stock figure playing such an important role.
I think Machuki's theories could be close, actually. I can see Bran creating or helping to create a new threat from the north to restore the 'balance'.
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Post by Inspector Norse on May 8, 2019 11:18:09 GMT
At this point I'm almost convinced that Cersei's a more competent leader than either Jon or the post-House Tarly BBQ Daenerys anyway. There's no way that Jon sitting on the throne could be a credible ending. One of the biggest themes of the show, in the beginning anyway, was to show that going around being noble and honest and fair and doing the right thing was a fool's errand. Think not just of Ned winding up on the end of a spike outside Joffrey's palace (or Jon himself getting killed once already by members of his own Watch!) but of how frequently good intentions have had disastrous consequences... most recently with the decisions of Sam and then Jon to tell the truth leading to a fracturing of his relationships with Daenerys and his sisters, and also to the writers activating Varys for the first time in ages. And as for Daenerys, she's got it coming I think. She's been too clearly going down the tyrannical route despite the best efforts of her advisors and they can't really plausibly haul her back to sanity now. Cersei will die because she's been the big bad all along. So yeah, the logical, obvious Hollywood plot is that Jon ends up King but that absolutely shouldn't happen. And fortunately I believe that GRR Martin was the one to give them the ending, so surely he as the source of all the strongest plots and material recognises that. I would joke about Robin Arryn getting the gig, but bits like him and the Eyrie sequences early on were so weird and compelling and complex compared to the overblown blockbuster it's become, so it just makes me a bit sad.
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Post by tory on May 8, 2019 11:38:54 GMT
The last remaining dragon will melt the Iron throne with someone on it.
So it won't exist anymore.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 17:16:00 GMT
Yeah I definitely miss the Moon Door. I can't believe they didn't do more with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 18:03:11 GMT
There's no way that Jon sitting on the throne could be a credible ending. One of the biggest themes of the show, in the beginning anyway, was to show that going around being noble and honest and fair and doing the right thing was a fool's errand. Think not just of Ned winding up on the end of a spike outside Joffrey's palace (or Jon himself getting killed once already by members of his own Watch!) but of how frequently good intentions have had disastrous consequences... most recently with the decisions of Sam and then Jon to tell the truth leading to a fracturing of his relationships with Daenerys and his sisters, and also to the writers activating Varys for the first time in ages. I get that, but the arc to protect Jon has been so strong throughout the series that bumping him off when he's already been brought back to life to get to the throne would still seem like a bit of an anti-climax. Depending on how that would happen, of course. I think the most "likely" outcome as I can see the plot working out is if Jon/Aegon were to 'win' the fight but abdicate the throne. The whole political conundrum of personal choice vs. heraldic destiny would "break the wheel", to go back to Daenerys' speech long ago.
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Post by Inspector Norse on May 8, 2019 19:38:44 GMT
Ah, but wasn’t it the Lord of Light who brought him back, to help defeat the Night King*? And with that accomplished, Melisandre gone, his task is surely done.
*this shit sounds really stupid when you write it down doesn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 19:54:58 GMT
Maybe, but he did sod all in that fight, you'd argue what the point of it was.
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Post by countmachuki on May 8, 2019 19:59:27 GMT
Maybe, but he did sod all in that fight, you'd argue what the point of it was. He shouted at a dragon. What dragons have YOU shouted at?!
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Post by Inspector Norse on May 9, 2019 5:40:45 GMT
Maybe, but he did sod all in that fight, you'd argue what the point of it was. Had he not united the North and won over Daenerys there wouldn’t have been a fight and the Night King would now be approaching King’s Landing, his sleeper agent the zombie Mountain ready to take out Cersei.
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