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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 3:15:55 GMT
It's a bit daft that Davos hasn't died yet. How he survived the long night is beyond me. And then he just waltzes through King's Landing.
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Post by alejandro on May 20, 2019 14:19:48 GMT
What happens in the final episode: Dany takes all of King's Landing, has Tyrion thrown in prison and is going to have him executed later. Jon is still unsure about what to do. Arya and Sansa convince him to stop being a twat. Arya or Jon kills Dany. Jon makes the most sense but Arya needs one last major assassination according to prophecy. Tyrion is freed. Bran or Tyrion are made king with the Stark sisters as advisors / hands. Jon leaves to go back north to see Tormund and he finally gives Ghost a hug, thus completing his arc. The internet has a hissy fit for a year and then they finally get on with their lives. Two years later HBO release the trailer to one of their spin off shows and everyone loves Game of Thrones again. The end. Yup, pretty much.
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Post by countmachuki on May 20, 2019 14:40:36 GMT
Bran the Useless! Who knew?!
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Post by countmachuki on May 20, 2019 15:07:34 GMT
Daenarys will become the new Night Queen, trapped behind a wall built by Bran.Cersei will kill herself and any number of other people with that green napalm shit.Sansa will be Queen in the North after Euron kills Jon and is in turn killed by Theon.Arya will sail away to over the sea aka whatever their version of America is. The whole shootin' match will go into Sam's book. SO IT IS WRITTEN. Still not proven wrong! #NAILEDIT
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Post by Inspector Norse on May 20, 2019 21:14:14 GMT
Decent finale. The blasted, holocaust look of the first half was great and Daenerys' speech to her army had a real touch of the fascist dictators about it. Her actual death was perhaps a bit rushed, and the leap to "a few weeks later" jarred, with no real explanation of what had happened in between, but although my initial thought was that we were going to get some naff happy ending stuff, I liked the way Sam's democratic suggestion was shot down with such derision - this is still a medieval world after all - and the way the lighting and decor changed in the second half to reflect a more hopeful, forward-looking story was effective.
Tyrion's speech about Bran was daft ("stories" and our differing interpretations of them have always been a major theme, but one thing pretty much everyone can agree on is that surely, there are plenty of people with better stories than Bran's) and I kept wondering why there weren't any more guards there, but most of the conclusions felt logical and struck the right open-ended note, nothing too neat. There are still questions about relations between Sansa's North and the other kingdoms, about what Arya will find out there, about where they will find the money to repay the crown's debts, and so on.
The one character whose story didn't get a fairly satisfying ending was Grey Worm. It would have been more convincing had he gone down fighting after Daenerys' death. I didn't really buy them just arresting Jon and sticking him in chains either.
Sure there were one or two other corny moments but overall, I think they made a reasonably good fist of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 6:34:18 GMT
I blubbed at Jon's reunion with Ghost. Call me mawkish.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 18:58:11 GMT
I know that picking out possible foreshadowing moments is a bit chiché now, but I always thought that Bran being the first to see the king in the first episode whilst standing on top of the castle was going to mean something.
The unsullied can only act under orders, can't they? So because no-one could order them to kill Jon, they couldn't. I think it was implied that Jon told the truth and accepted arrest, which makes sense in respect of his character. It's the Dothraki's disappearance that I'd like explained.
All in all, however, I'm happy with the last two episodes of the show and I don't agree that Daenerys' massacre was inorganic or out of character. I think a show of power was necessary for her to establish herself on the throne due to the very presence of Jon as the rightful heir. It’s easy to forget now but remember that Viserys was the actual heir at the beginning of the series – she was complicit in his death because she wanted the throne to herself. That’s all her motivation has ever been. Think back to Khal Drogo's speech in Series 1 when they'd captured the guy who had tried to poison her. He rants that they'll sail over to King’s Landing, burn everything down, rape all the women and sell their kids to slaves. She just stands there looking completely empowered. No heroine of the downtrodden, no ‘breaker of chains’ propaganda, just lust for power right from the beginning. That was her real coming of age moment.
If nothing else then that episode was great for kicking back at the fanboys/girls who’ve idolised characters and still see the show as a straight good vs evil battle. After the death of Missandei it seemed like most of twitter were willing a massacre on. The episode turned that on its head and said: no, this is war, this is what it actually means. Just like the Red Wedding, I thought it was Game of Thrones at its best, personally, for that reason if nothing else.
And yes, I did clap at Jon's reunion with Ghost. All dogs must know that they are a good boy, Ghost more than most. Yes, well done.
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Post by alejandro on May 21, 2019 19:03:02 GMT
I know that picking out possible foreshadowing moments is a bit chiché now, but I always thought that Bran being the first to see the king in the first episode whilst standing on top of the castle was going to mean something. The unsullied can only act under orders, can't they? So because no-one could order them to kill Jon, they couldn't. I think it was implied that Jon told the truth and accepted arrest, which makes sense in respect of his character. It's the Dothraki's disappearance that I'd like explained. All in all, however, I'm happy with the last two episodes of the show and I don't agree that Daenerys' massacre was inorganic or out of character. I think a show of power was necessary for her to establish herself on the throne due to the very presence of Jon as the rightful heir. It’s easy to forget now but remember that Viserys was the actual heir at the beginning of the series – she was complicit in his death because she wanted the throne to herself. That’s all her motivation has ever been. Think back to Khal Drogo's speech in Series 1 when they'd captured the guy who had tried to poison her. He rants that they'll sail over to King’s Landing, burn everything down, rape all the women and sell their kids to slaves. She just stands there looking completely empowered. No heroine of the downtrodden, no ‘breaker of chains’ propaganda, just lust for power right from the beginning. That was her real coming of age moment. If nothing else then that episode was great for kicking back at the fanboys/girls who’ve idolised characters and still see the show as a straight good vs evil battle. After the death of Missandei it seemed like most of twitter were willing a massacre on. The episode turned that on its head and said: no, this is war, this is what it actually means. Just like the Red Wedding, I thought it was Game of Thrones at its best, personally, for that reason if nothing else. And yes, I did clap at Jon's reunion with Ghost. All dogs must know that they are a good boy, Ghost more than most. Yes, well done. Yes, I agree with this. I think that whilst the season is not without its many issues, in time the audience perception of the finale will turn around. I felt that the ending rang hollow when I was watching it because to some extent I "didn't get what I wanted"... But largely a lot of the outcomes make sense and ultimately I just feel it's how things had to happen. A little more content between each beat, a few changes here and there would have made things smoother and more natural or rewarding, but it wasn't too bad as it was.
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Post by Inspector Norse on May 21, 2019 19:45:16 GMT
Yeah absolutely: most of the plotting made sense and what sas missing was not logic but detail and the time to let things develop more naturally and sink in.
One issue I had with the finale was that it seemed (the first half, anyway) too linear, each scene just following the next and taking the story to its end, without any sense of the import of it all.
Overall I think that it finished up in a pretty satisfying place, but the way it got there was latterly unsatisfying and uneven. I did read somewhere, though, that ”the best endings are those that let the story continue in the audience’s heads” and I thought that was apt. There was closure, but there were new beginnings and uncertainties.
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Post by tory on May 22, 2019 10:31:05 GMT
I think the issue too was that there were so many fucking storylines going on, that one began to imagine this extraordinary denouement, bigger and better than anything one had witnessed.
I'd still like to read Martin's own version if that ever happens.
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