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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 23, 2020 11:30:44 GMT
Yeah but you can experience transcendence with Bach sitting on the couch too. There is something in the art that is transcendent. I know what you mean, but I also think there's also a lot of cultural projection with these things. We immediately use someone like Bach as this cultural shorthand for quality, huge artistic ambition, the highest achievement etc. But I've felt similar exaltation or transcendence listening to a Cocteau Twins track, but they will not have the same power as an example because they don't have centuries of cultural veneration attached to them and likely never will. There's a reason for that though. These works impact on people throughout the centuries in a very profound way and they cross cultural borders too. I don't wanna dismiss the Cocteau's or your experience, some of which I of course share. I get transcendence from a Phil Spector record but....there is art that also goes deeper and does more and in doing so it offers something that I describe as more akin to a religious experience. The veneration is a consequence of its greatness. When I saw Michelangelo's David I felt something of this religious quality. The idealisation of the human form. The nobility of it. Just the beauty. "shit, some old dude sculpted this? ". It's not a feeling I get from, say, modern conceptual art ( "oh, some bricks...."). The elevation of the human experience, my experience, into something grander and more infinite that for a moment affords life a sacred quality ( "oh, so we're not just a bunch of stupid cunts arsing about...we are capable of greatness"). Religious art naturally channels this but it's also there in David, in a Bergman movie, in Die Walkure or whatever.
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Post by sloopjohnc on Nov 23, 2020 14:12:33 GMT
We invented Hot Pockets, bitches! We're not goin' nowheres.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 23, 2020 14:22:24 GMT
The renaissance, classical music, opera etc etc
Up against pop tarts and Elvis.
No wonder Gav feels inadequate.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 23, 2020 14:25:43 GMT
I'm fine, you should be grateful for your grounds keeping job at Turnberry.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 23, 2020 14:29:52 GMT
Wrong coast Gav.
I do have a job making shortbread on the royal mile though.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 23, 2020 14:32:31 GMT
oh, great Wagner and shortbread swastikas the height of European art
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 23, 2020 14:35:26 GMT
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without knowing civilization.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 23, 2020 14:37:17 GMT
oh, great Wagner and shortbread swastikas the height of European art face it, Gav. Better art and better biscuits. Europe rulez, America is for foolz
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 23, 2020 14:39:26 GMT
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without knowing civilization. very Eurocentric, as was subjugation and spreading disease
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 23, 2020 14:40:33 GMT
oh, great Wagner and shortbread swastikas the height of European art face it, Gav. Better art and better biscuits. Europe rulez, America is for foolz well, at least you'll have to stop masturbating
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 23, 2020 14:40:45 GMT
GAV: CORNERED
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 23, 2020 14:41:34 GMT
Heathers Stirred
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Post by sloopjohnc on Nov 23, 2020 14:49:18 GMT
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without knowing civilization. There's an American expression that I think applies to modern day Europeans. They were born on third base and think they hit a triple.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 23, 2020 14:53:45 GMT
We can't help being aweshome Sloop
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 23, 2020 15:05:18 GMT
Sloop and Gav in Europe in reality
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