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Post by oh oooh on Nov 21, 2020 21:28:56 GMT
I'm sure you'll have no problem bringing to mind some of the great popular art produced in the USA in the 20th century. From the early post-war years it captivated most of the world. The one and only thing that prevents me from saying that they were making the best examples in the world is, of course, the huge advantage they had with the prevalence of English as a world language (and perhaps the British colonies' readiness to consume, too - although that was already on the decline by 1945).
If I was Russian then I might make the same claims about my own country, and make the argument that if my mother tongue was more widely spoken then Russian popular art would be at least equally popular and influential (or would I?).
Anyway - I digress.
Is the cultural dominance of the USA coming to an end? Who could pose a challenge to this 'cultural imperialism'? Are great writers coming out of China?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 21:34:05 GMT
I think you're missing one important factor, it's a country of immigrants. So its culture is a bit of Irish, Dutch, Asian, German etc. I think this needs to be taken strongly in to consideration.
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 21, 2020 21:43:41 GMT
I think you're missing one important factor, it's a country of immigrants. So its culture is a bit of Irish, Dutch, Asian, German etc. I think this needs to be taken strongly in to consideration. Oh yeah, absolutely. This explains why they managed to maintain such a hold over the world over disparate art forms for so long. Hollywood founded on Hungarian/Jewish producers and entrepreneurs, and then the Irish-American writers, Italian-American music and cuisine etc. etc.
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 21, 2020 21:48:32 GMT
It just seems the fire is going out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 21:52:52 GMT
I remember watching some show about the music business or something, and a music manager or record label owner couldn't understand why everyone outside of the US is trying to break America. His logic was America has x amount of people, Europe, asia etc have 3 or 4 times that combined. So don't worry about breaking the US, concentrate on other countries and if happens in the US then happy days, if it doesn't, fuck it. I think what he was partly trying to say was the US isn't that big of a deal.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 21, 2020 21:59:03 GMT
It just seems the fire is going out. we'll be fine as soon as everyone lifts their head out of their phones and realizes you have to create content not just consume it. I think television/streaming has been a high water, whilst film has not. literature and creative nonfiction are doing fine, whilst journalism and poetry are scrambling music is vast, country and hip hop dominate, pop had a golden 10 years, whilst all the roots music is woodshedding, there is no mainstream anymore we'll be fine, marines will still land on beaches planting the flags of McDonalds, Apple, and Coca Cola
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 21, 2020 22:03:20 GMT
I'm not sure I was looking for that kind of reassurance! Maybe the world would benefit from a century where Asian art dominates and the US is just left to rot after decades of isolationism.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 21, 2020 22:04:09 GMT
bitter?
decades of isolationism?
show us on the patty melt where katy perry hurt you
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Post by Charlie O. on Nov 22, 2020 2:11:15 GMT
we'll be fine as soon as everyone lifts their head out of their phones and realizes you have to create content not just consume it. As far as music goes, I'd be much happier if more people would STOP "creating content." There are more people putting out "music content" then ever before, and an even higher percentage of them than ever before either have nothing to say, or haven't taken the time to figure out how to say it.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 22, 2020 4:35:40 GMT
we'll be fine as soon as everyone lifts their head out of their phones and realizes you have to create content not just consume it. As far as music goes, I'd be much happier if more people would STOP "creating content." There are more people putting out "music content" then ever before, and an even higher percentage of them than ever before either have nothing to say, or haven't taken the time to figure out how to say it. I'd agree, we do have a lot singer songwriters, bedroom projects, lots of tasteful well done good things that don't really excite. (insert skope joke here), that never hit greatness.
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Post by tory on Nov 22, 2020 7:23:11 GMT
I'd argue that there has been a cultural decline as a whole everywhere.
There are isolated outposts and outliers, yes.
We are too consumed with having fun and enjoying ourselves to worry about it.
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Post by oh oooh on Nov 22, 2020 11:43:15 GMT
I'd argue that there has been a cultural decline as a whole everywhere. There are isolated outposts and outliers, yes. We are too consumed with having fun and enjoying ourselves to worry about it. Where is this material we're enjoying and having fun with coming from? There has probably been a cultural decline everywhere, but these things are difficult to measure in any meaningful way. I'm more interested in where the next great cultural movement will come from - if indeed there will be one. Isn't there a line about the only great cultural movements that mattered came out of France, Italy and England? Something like that. And for popular art we can look at the USA in the last century. But the next...? Are we moving towards a state where individuals produce culture for their own small groups? Will nations have cultural influence at all?
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Nov 22, 2020 11:50:09 GMT
America is in decline in many ways. Culture is one of ‘em. I wouldn’t expect anywhere else to pick up the slack either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 13:47:07 GMT
The kind of huge pan global media conglomerates that produce much of our media entertainment in the 21st century aren't conducive to producing the kind of distinctiveness and innovative energy this thread is looking for.
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Post by ~ / % ? * on Nov 22, 2020 14:10:05 GMT
I'd argue that there has been a cultural decline as a whole everywhere. There are isolated outposts and outliers, yes. We are too consumed with having fun and enjoying ourselves to worry about it. Isn't there a line about the only great cultural movements that mattered came out of France, Italy and England? Eurocentric blather that never acknowledges China, India, Africa, South America, Native American, etc., cultural contributions contemporaneously. Even before "wokeness" the view of history should have had the ability to see the full sweep of anywhere at anytime.
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