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Post by Reactionary Rage on Apr 13, 2021 17:02:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 17:16:51 GMT
People see it through don't they? It's bullshit and they know it. They are so NEEDY. I'm not a huge fan of Gervais but I did appreciate his speech when he just said go on stage, thank your agent and God and then just fuck off. Gervais's relationship with the US is a funny one. Hanks has called him out amongst others but by and large he is loved over there. I don't know if they know that they can insult him back. Anyway he was right with what he was saying but even he knew it would fall on deaf ears.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Apr 13, 2021 17:42:54 GMT
OK. Seen any good movies lately?
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Post by toomanyhatz on Apr 13, 2021 23:10:04 GMT
Anyway, nice job making this all about race while accusing the left of making everything about race!
OK, I'll play your silly game. I suspect you'll agree that this is a banner year in terms of diversity and inclusion - quite possibly the most '' year in Oscar history. So take a look at the nominees list that Sneelock posted. Name me the movie that is undeserving and is only there due to tokenism. And then explain to me how happy you'll be if "Mank" makes a clean sweep of it.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Apr 14, 2021 0:11:52 GMT
Anyway, nice job making this all about race while accusing the left of making everything about race! OK, I'll play your silly game. I suspect you'll agree that this is a banner year in terms of diversity and inclusion - quite possibly the most '' year in Oscar history. So take a look at the nominees list that Sneelock posted. Name me the movie that is undeserving and is only there due to tokenism. And then explain to me how happy you'll be if "Mank" makes a clean sweep of it. I suspect you’ll be hearing some passive aggressive cricket noises on that question.
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Post by Reactionary Rage on Apr 14, 2021 14:40:17 GMT
Anyway, nice job making this all about race while accusing the left of making everything about race! OK, I'll play your silly game. I suspect you'll agree that this is a banner year in terms of diversity and inclusion - quite possibly the most '' year in Oscar history. So take a look at the nominees list that Sneelock posted. Name me the movie that is undeserving and is only there due to tokenism. And then explain to me how happy you'll be if "Mank" makes a clean sweep of it. You've been hanging around with Davey for too long ya poor sod. The Oscars have always annoyed me and if you go back through the years you will find me saying the same thing over again - and I said it earlier on this thread too - because I hate bullshit and value honesty, truth and genuine artistic achievements being rewarded. The Oscars tend to elevate crap or merely good films for reasons I consider insincere and motivated by other factors (for the same reason I hate those daft modern lists of so called great albums....same objection). My objections around diversity are around diversity for diversities sake because this is anti-art and, imo, patronising towards minorities. I'm not being funny but the Oscars consistently nominate undeserving films with the odd, occasional great choice actually winning (Moonlight, No Country for Old Men in more recent years). They also consistently exhibit their prejudices and biases in picking these movies and performances too. Let's face it, the Academy have always been a bit lame in their choices and they like to slap themselves on their back as rich Hollywood types do . They don't like horror or comedy or genre pics in general. Great performances in lesser movies (especially genre pics) are overlooked in favour of performances in "worthier" films. If someone is playing a character with learning difficulties it makes their cocks switch and so on. That's how they are and they have always been compromised by this nonsense but now they have added another layer of bullshit around race and identity to further undermine the whole affair. Does that mean all of these movies or performances are not worthy at all or "undeserving"? No and when I get a chance to see some of them - bit difficult this year what with covid and the fact that I don't have Netflix - I will judge accordingly on their own individual merits but it's hardly controversial to suggest recent events will be influencing their thinking in the wake of BLM etc. I mean, c'mon to fuck. Enjoy Your Game.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Apr 14, 2021 15:29:32 GMT
The Oscars have ALWAYS rewarded the wrong films. That’s a perennial feature of the whole enterprise.
The point of the #OscarsSoWhite push for diversity isn’t really about who gets awards. It’s about who gets to make movies. There’s a reason that a list of greatest-films-ever would be dominated by white male directors centered on the lives of white characters - and it is that white men get to make movies. For decades, Black artists were seldom bankrolled, and when they were - they were generally bankrolled to make low-end exploitation films. With a few isolated and largely poorly-funded exceptions (Michaux, Greaves, Burnett, Parks), you don’t really get anything you could call Black cinema till Spike Lee and John Singleton.
So how do you break that cycle? How do you get people to be aware of the perspectives they aren’t seeing? One way is to point out the lack of diverse perspectives on offer in our yearly celebration of the art form.
The goal isn’t to give awards to undeserving films (that will happen anyhow), but rather to get audiences and the industry interested in a wider range of artists.
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Post by toomanyhatz on Apr 14, 2021 19:09:44 GMT
Anyway, nice job making this all about race while accusing the left of making everything about race! OK, I'll play your silly game. I suspect you'll agree that this is a banner year in terms of diversity and inclusion - quite possibly the most '' year in Oscar history. So take a look at the nominees list that Sneelock posted. Name me the movie that is undeserving and is only there due to tokenism. And then explain to me how happy you'll be if "Mank" makes a clean sweep of it. You've been hanging around with Davey for too long ya poor sod. The Oscars have always annoyed me and if you go back through the years you will find me saying the same thing over again - and I said it earlier on this thread too - because I hate bullshit and value honesty, truth and genuine artistic achievements being rewarded. The Oscars tend to elevate crap or merely good films for reasons I consider insincere and motivated by other factors (for the same reason I hate those daft modern lists of so called great albums....same objection). My objections around diversity are around diversity for diversities sake because this is anti-art and, imo, patronising towards minorities. I'm not being funny but the Oscars consistently nominate undeserving films with the odd, occasional great choice actually winning (Moonlight, No Country for Old Men in more recent years). They also consistently exhibit their prejudices and biases in picking these movies and performances too. Let's face it, the Academy have always been a bit lame in their choices and they like to slap themselves on their back as rich Hollywood types do . They don't like horror or comedy or genre pics in general. Great performances in lesser movies (especially genre pics) are overlooked in favour of performances in "worthier" films. If someone is playing a character with learning difficulties it makes their cocks switch and so on. That's how they are and they have always been compromised by this nonsense but now they have added another layer of bullshit around race and identity to further undermine the whole affair. Does that mean all of these movies or performances are not worthy at all or "undeserving"? No and when I get a chance to see some of them - bit difficult this year what with covid and the fact that I don't have Netflix - I will judge accordingly on their own individual merits but it's hardly controversial to suggest recent events will be influencing their thinking in the wake of BLM etc. I mean, c'mon to fuck. Enjoy Your Game. Well, you're right about that, for sure! Going on 40 years, ffs! But I feel the need to again stress that we're not the same person - far from it, in fact - and have very different views on a lot of stuff. But yes, I do find myself agreeing with him often on matters like this. I also think we're ALL more 'on the same page' than you realize. Your mentioning of "Moonlight" is a good example. That's a film that would not have been marketed successfully to a non-black audience, let alone won a major award, a decade or two ago. Is it a "worthy" film because it artfully handles matters of race and sexuality? Is it a good film? How much do the answers to those questions relate to each other? If it owes the fact that you saw and enjoyed it, to any degree, to "wokeness," you're welcome. And I mention "Mank" because it's the one nominee this year that I think actually DOES owe its nomination to tokenism. Hollywood loves to be self-referential. Again, in previous years, this good but in no way great (imo) film WOULD have swept all the awards. The fact that the establishment is now forced to look outside their own clique is attributable, at least in part, to people making an issue of it, to the annoyance of many. Again, you're welcome. Not to suggest the Academy will ever not have those kinds of issues, and certainly could end up pleasing no one in the attempt to please everyone, but I think it's no coincidence that the nomination field this year is not only the most diverse ever, but also has far fewer major 'snubs' (though I really wish "One Night in Miami" had gotten a best picture nom instead of Mank or Chicago 7). In any case, I appreciate your willingness to at least address the subject with some degree of seriousness (and understand am fine with the fact that you'll always get your digs in there too). Wish I could say that for everyone here.
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Post by Sneelock on Apr 14, 2021 19:35:56 GMT
it's an awards show.
Miss Florida wasn't as talented as Miss North Dakota. she wuz robbed. life goes on.
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Post by daveythefatboy on Apr 14, 2021 20:21:43 GMT
it's an awards show.
Miss Florida wasn't as talented as Miss North Dakota. she wuz robbed. life goes on. But now they want to water it down with Miss Puerto Rico. Why can’t they just give it to the most talented white girl?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 15:50:54 GMT
Mark kermode has a show on tomorrow night on BBC 4 asking is there a trick to making an oscar winning film. I don't know how old the show is but it will be interesting to watch. I can give or take kermode.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 12:13:14 GMT
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Post by toomanyhatz on Apr 26, 2021 1:31:16 GMT
Chloe Zhao indeed gets Best Director. Much deserved.
Second woman director winner in Oscar history.
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Post by Sneelock on Apr 26, 2021 4:31:18 GMT
Well, it turns out I’m not the only person who rated “School Daze”.
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Post by Mr. FOLLARD on Apr 26, 2021 5:53:41 GMT
Trent Reznor won 'ugliest fucker ever'
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